Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[KevinB]

Any feel for which specific production line went up? I’m guessing each building on the site probably has a distinct purpose/product.

Not OS yet AFAIK, but yes. If it becomes distributable to LE I’ll send it to you.

 

[Kirkhill]

Further to...

Rifles

Denmark has been buying its rifles from Canada since 1995 when it bought C7/C8 variants complete with the Canadian sights.

It has just bought 26,000 current production models. Multiply that by the differences in national populations and you get a buy of about 200,000 rifles and carbines.

Those rifles replace a batch procured in 2016.

That batch replaced a batch procured in 2010.

That batch replaced the original 1995/96 batch.

The 1995/96 batch, along with all the others, are still in commission with the older models being usec by the conscripts, including the palace guard, and by the Home Guard.

Assuming 4 buys of 26,000 and all still held in national armouries that suggests something like 100,000 rifles. Canadianized that would be enough rifles to arm 800,000 Canadians.

Money spent on hardware and not salaries.

And this was all happening when Denmark was spending less than 2% on Defence. It was spending at Canadian levels.

 

[Kirkhill]

That than shoe horning a foreign system, you may want to push a volunteer Auxiliary to various LEA’s.

Lots of LEA’s down here have reserves and Auxiliaries.

Absolutely.

But your entire LEO community suffers from lack of uniformity. Not just their auxilliaries.

One thing that our Federal government can do in its neverending quest to make one nation out of its multicultural mess is to create a national institution that people actually want to join because they see value in it.

Not because they are coerced.

 

[Kirkhill]

Have you heard anything to suggest this may have been a deliberate act?

The local chief of police was on record as saying his investigatory standards require assuming the worst until the investigation says otherwise. So he is starting from the position that this could be intentional and it could be terrorist/foreign initiated.

 

[brihard]

Not OS yet AFAIK, but yes. If it becomes distributable to LE I’ll send it to you.

All good, I’m only curious, no real need to know. If it does turn out to have been intentional then it will make its way to my eyes in due course.

 

[MilEME09]

Further to...

Rifles

Denmark has been buying its rifles from Canada since 1995 when it bought C7/C8 variants complete with the Canadian sights.

It has just bought 26,000 current production models. Multiply that by the differences in national populations and you get a buy of about 200,000 rifles and carbines.

Those rifles replace a batch procured in 2016.

That batch replaced a batch procured in 2010.

That batch replaced the original 1995/96 batch.

The 1995/96 batch, along with all the others, are still in commission with the older models being usec by the conscripts, including the palace guard, and by the Home Guard.

Assuming 4 buys of 26,000 and all still held in national armouries that suggests something like 100,000 rifles. Canadianized that would be enough rifles to arm 800,000 Canadians.

Money spent on hardware and not salaries.

And this was all happening when Denmark was spending less than 2% on Defence. It was spending at Canadian levels.

We could sign the CMAR contract with colt yesterday and have deliveries within 6 months, we choose not to

 

[lenaitch]

That than shoe horning a foreign system, you may want to push a volunteer Auxiliary to various LEA’s.

Lots of LEA’s down here have reserves and Auxiliaries.

As do every major, and probably most smaller, police services in Canada.

Absolutely.

But your entire LEO community suffers from lack of uniformity. Not just their auxilliaries.

One thing that our Federal government can do in its neverending quest to make one nation out of its multicultural mess is to create a national institution that people actually want to join because they see value in it.

Not because they are coerced.

I would argue that volunteerism is stronger at the local level.

 

[Furniture]

I would argue that volunteerism is stronger at the local level.

100%

You'd get people to sign-up for a local "civil defence" group much faster than you would for a national one.

The Average Islander or Albertan doesn't care about the issues the other is facing.

 

[daftandbarmy]

As do every major, and probably most smaller, police services in Canada.


I would argue that volunteerism is stronger at the local level.

Statistics would argue differently...

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism​

‘This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,’ says one expert

Recent Statistics Canada data show a marked decline in volunteerism in recent years.

In 2023, 73 per cent of Canadians volunteered, down from 79 per cent in 2018. This volunteer rate includes both formal volunteering with charities or non-profits, and informal volunteering, such as helping friends, family or neighbours.

In that same period, the total number of hours that Canadians volunteered dropped 18 per cent.

“We are at a critical juncture,” the organizations Volunteer Canada and Imagine Canada, which both support non-profits, wrote in a public response to the Statistics Canada data.

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism

'This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,' says one expert

www.canadianaffairs.news

 

[Kirkhill]

100%

You'd get people to sign-up for a local "civil defence" group much faster than you would for a national one.

The Average Islander or Albertan doesn't care about the issues the other is facing.

I agree on the localism thing. And I think most of the proponents of the old militia system would agree with you. Hence the 103rd Calgary Rifles, the Calgary Regiment, the Calgary Highlanders, the Kings Own Calgary Regiment. Hence frivolities like local Worthies as Honouraries and tribal insignia like kilts and pipes and claiming freedoms of the hometown. In fact all the things that the professional laughs at.

The whole point of the exercise is to recruit locally, to raise companies of volunteers motivated by the local citizenry to assist the local citizenry.

And then.... regiment those local companies to a national standard.

You are not recruiting for foreign wars. You are recruiting to save local homes.

Different thing entirely.

You are recruiting people that go to hockey games not to see a good game as much as to cheer on their local team. If people went to games to see good hockey then the Leafs would never sell a ticket.

 

[Kirkhill]

And second, and controversial point, volunteerism is a cultural issue. Just like going to church and giving to charities. As our old culture dies, as we invite new cultures to take its place we cannot expect the same results.

Red Rose tea time..... Pity!

Good news. Culture is learned.

 

[Eaglelord17]

And second, and controversial point, volunteerism is a cultural issue. Just like going to church and giving to charities. As our old culture dies, as we invite new cultures to take its place we cannot expect the same results.

Red Rose tea time..... Pity!

Good news. Culture is learned.

It is also a fiscal issue. Volunteerism goes down when your too busy worrying about yourself and family. Can’t afford to volunteer when you could spend that time working to put food on the table.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Red Rose tea time..... Pity!

Good news. Culture is learned.

Quite the contradiction there....

 

[lenaitch]

Statistics would argue differently...

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism​

‘This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,’ says one expert

Recent Statistics Canada data show a marked decline in volunteerism in recent years.

In 2023, 73 per cent of Canadians volunteered, down from 79 per cent in 2018. This volunteer rate includes both formal volunteering with charities or non-profits, and informal volunteering, such as helping friends, family or neighbours.

In that same period, the total number of hours that Canadians volunteered dropped 18 per cent.

“We are at a critical juncture,” the organizations Volunteer Canada and Imagine Canada, which both support non-profits, wrote in a public response to the Statistics Canada data.

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism

'This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,' says one expert

www.canadianaffairs.news

No doubt, but where it is still stronger the more local it is.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Statistics would argue differently...

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism​

‘This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,’ says one expert

Recent Statistics Canada data show a marked decline in volunteerism in recent years.

In 2023, 73 per cent of Canadians volunteered, down from 79 per cent in 2018. This volunteer rate includes both formal volunteering with charities or non-profits, and informal volunteering, such as helping friends, family or neighbours.

In that same period, the total number of hours that Canadians volunteered dropped 18 per cent.

“We are at a critical juncture,” the organizations Volunteer Canada and Imagine Canada, which both support non-profits, wrote in a public response to the Statistics Canada data.

A ‘shame’: What Canada loses from declining volunteerism

'This decline in volunteerism … is really a symptom of a broader malaise in civil society,' says one expert

www.canadianaffairs.news

A lot of the cultures we brought in, do not have a history of volunteerism, so no surprise there. Here in North Van, people are either to busy keeping their fiscal head above water or come from a economic level where they don't volunteer, certainly not for mundane things like Navy League. The rich generally volunteer only where they can be seen by their peers and network.

 

[daftandbarmy]

A lot of the cultures we brought in, do not have a history of volunteerism, so no surprise there. Here in North Van, people are either to busy keeping their fiscal head above water or come from a economic level where they don't volunteer, certainly not for mundane things like Navy League. The rich generally volunteer only where they can be seen by their peers and network.

Not-for-profits also need to get better at recruiting volunteers, as opposed to just assuming everyone is lining up to help them further their chosen social purpose.

 

[dapaterson]

My experience, outside, inside, outside brought inside, and inside moved outside with not for profits is that the good ones understand the need to continually be identifying and developing talent.

The poor quality ones run as ego supports for some of the leaders, with poor internal governance and little ability to survive and thrive.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

One thing I tried to hammer home into place like the maritime museum was that volunteer's do not work for free. Every volunteer wants something and you as an organization have to gleam what that is and is it something you can or want to give? Most often its satisfaction, validation, and belonging. Sometime they want status, such as being the lead for a team or the fund raiser face of an organization.

A lot of organizations today struggle with the above and don't put the right people at the helm of their volunteers. One idiot can do immense damage to your organization and the right person can create miracles. Also in my experience, volunteer orgs go through a roughly 7 year cycle, of buildup, success, and then collapse, then repeat.

 

[Kirkhill]

If school teachers really want to make a difference culturally then they would be promoting volunteerism in general rather than worrying about changing the immutable.

 

[Kirkhill]

One thing I tried to hammer home into place like the maritime museum was that volunteer's do not work for free. Every volunteer wants something and you as an organization have to gleam what that is and is it something you can or want to give? Most often its satisfaction, validation, and belonging. Sometime they want status, such as being the lead for a team or the fund raiser face of an organization.

A lot of organizations today struggle with the above and don't put the right people at the helm of their volunteers. One idiot can do immense damage to your organization and the right person can create miracles. Also in my experience, volunteer orgs go through a roughly 7 year cycle, of buildup, success, and then collapse, then repeat.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

Frances Hutcheson argued in the early 1700s that self-interest drove people. Adam Smith was one of his pupils.

Hutcheson also argued that people were interested in making themselves happy. They gained happiness when they thought they were doing good, when they were helping others. They sought acclamation, validation.