Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[SeaKingTacco]

BC Ferries: whose electronics are part of the build? Ours or theirs? Ours, we ship them, they copy, possible security issue.

Just wait, there will be operating problems plus China will control traffic to and from.

I Don't trust the Chinese government (or Eby).

Those are pretty big questions, aren’t they?

 

[suffolkowner]

I’m curious if there was any serious talk about wiping the floor with trump vs being the best candidate to deal with Trump. I recall the latter not the former.

What worked in the election was Carney being better suited than PP to deal with Trump.

Did PP and the CPC even try? I remember Ford wrapping himself in the flag

Exactly. Carney brings credibility and technical fluency that few politicians can match, especially when dealing with someone like Trump who measures power in financial terms. The real question is whether that expertise translates into political instincts strong enough to navigate the populism and unpredictability that come with US and now especially Trump politics.
But the idea Canadians convinced themselves of? Bananas.

Did Canadians convince themselves that Carney would wipe the floor with Trump?

 

[Remius]

Did PP and the CPC even try? I remember Ford wrapping himself in the flag

Not really no. It was radio silence from him for a while and would only say “he wasn’t” the PM when asked what he would do. The tune changed by the time it was too late.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Yeah, that was never a realistic notion. Economically speaking a trump is a rogue actor. Gems ideologically committed to choices that betray his macroeconomic illiteracy. He’s making choices that, big picture, are bad for American consumers and businesses. But he’s making those choices (largely long-discredited mercantilist/protectionist ones) because they play well politically in the short term to some people who are keen to wave the flag but. Or at all keen to crack open an economics textbook. It’s the epitome of short term thinking.

You cannot ‘wipe the floor’ with someone like that. You can manage the problem as best you can, and try to mitigate harm and shape what you’re able.

Carney’s advantage vis a vis Trump, over anyone else who might have been leading our government, is that Carney is an unquestionably prominent and successful ‘money guy’. He can speak very fluently the language that Trump imagines himself speaking. He also has quite a bit of influence with other world financial leaders in building coordinated responses to American irrationality. And because he has a solid grasp of macroeconomics, he’s well poised to understand the impacts of various U.S. policy choices on Canada’s economy without having to have it explained to him. That’s a good thing.

But Trump will do what Trump will do and there’s not a lot we can do to curb that save for playing to his personal vanity and speaking the language of deals to try to mitigate harm. Some storms you just have to ride out and hope you have someone who knows their stuff at the helm.

Agreed.

I think at first the "Elbows Up" narrative was genuine, until Carney actually got to dealing with Trump and recognizing the situation for what it is:

Trying to calmly and deliberately coax a chimp to put down a machine gun, while trying not to get shot in the process.

Whereas Trump 45 had a Staff and Cabinet that were good at keeping things together (and were, all things considered, commited to democracy), 47 has dismissed that notion and replaced the adults in the room with sycophantic puppets.

I don't envy having to negotiate a trade deal with this as the set up....

 

[Kirkhill]

ABC is a big party inCanada.

Anybody But Conservatives.

The LPC has a very large constituency that value The Leader. Carney offered that constituency hope that they could keep the Conservatives out and themselves in.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I’m curious if there was any serious talk about wiping the floor with trump vs being the best candidate to deal with Trump. I recall the latter not the former.

Some hyperbole by me.

Serious talk about it? I've read comments here and there from people who certainly believed it. It seemed certain to them. Did a bunch of Canadians know better? I'd say yes.

Is Carney doing better than Poilievre would have done? No crystal ball to check, I haven't seen any decisive "Only Carney could have accomplished this deal" deals yet.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Those are our 3 options, scratching one off from the get go is not wise.

So are you staying that you do not see China as an adversary (vice competitor) and that there are no national security concerns that will disqualify China from further access to our economy etc?

Should we order our uniforms from ISIS because the labour costs are so low? Replace the C7 with an Russian AK47 to save some money? Buy Shaheed drones from Iran because they are cheaper?

There is no part of our industrial sector that does not have a National Security nexus.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Regardless of which province it happens in, in Canada in 2025 absolutely nobody should be dying of friggin’ measles. We defeated that disease with sound public health policy, yet somehow we’ve invited it back onto the pitch. That’s absurd.

Because heart disease doesn't need the competition ....

Heart disease back as top global killer as study highlights 'toll' of chronic conditions, rising youth deaths​

New global study also calls attention to ‘deaths of despair’ among teens, younger adults​

Heart disease, stroke and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) took the top spots in the latest 2023 data, with COVID dropping from the leading cause of global death in 2021 to the 20th spot just two years later.

Infectious disease deaths in general — including those linked to measles and tuberculosis — have gone down, while chronic conditions that aren’t contagious, such as diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease and drug use disorders, are on the rise.

Patients and researchers warn these slow-burn health threats don’t always get as much attention as a global crisis, yet their impact on people’s health and well-being remains massive.

“It's not as dramatic as an outbreak,” said Michael Brauer, principal research scientist at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington and a professor at the University of British Columbia. “But we still, I think, do not appreciate the toll that these chronic diseases take.”

Brauer is among a team of 16,500 researchers who have been analyzing global death data on hundreds of diseases across more than 200 countries and territories since 1990.

In Canada, he said the latest data shows heart disease, lung cancer and Alzheimer’s are the top three causes of deaths. Another concerning trend, he told CBC News, is that while overall global mortality is trending down and life expectancy is going up, there are spikes in death rates among teens and young adults in various parts of the world, this country included.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/lancet-study-global-deaths-9.6935005

 

[HavokFour]

Huh, I was kind of expecting Moe to be the first Premier comment with his recent trip to China that happened and Saskatchewan growing the bulk of canola in Canada.

Kinew says drop tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles to get Chinese duties dropped

Canada imposed the electric vehicle duty last year in lockstep with the United States, which also has a 100 per cent tariff on Chinese electric vehicles.

www.thestar.com

Edit: I stand corrected.

Moe had said he wanted Ottawa to do away with the electric vehicle tariff, but only if the country remained on good terms with the United States. He has since said removing it would not be a simple fix.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/exports-china-ottawa-tariff-dispute-beijing-9.6932452

We have some serious thinking over to do because the US doesn't appear to want Canada to have any auto sector at all.

 

[Altair]

So are you staying that you do not see China as an adversary (vice competitor) and that there are no national security concerns that will disqualify China from further access to our economy etc?

Should we order our uniforms from ISIS because the labour costs are so low? Replace the C7 with an Russian AK47 to save some money? Buy Shaheed drones from Iran because they are cheaper?

There is no part of our industrial sector that does not have a National Security nexus.

Not sure you realize how ridiculous this sounds when you consider that China is our second biggest trading partner, second largest import partner, and 5th largest foreign investment partner.

We already order millions of uniforms from China, it's called clothes and you see them at Walmart.

 

[Kirkhill]

Huh, I was kind of expecting Moe to be the first Premier comment with his recent trip to China that happened and Saskatchewan growing the bulk of canola in Canada.

Kinew says drop tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles to get Chinese duties dropped

Canada imposed the electric vehicle duty last year in lockstep with the United States, which also has a 100 per cent tariff on Chinese electric vehicles.

www.thestar.com

Edit: I stand corrected.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/exports-china-ottawa-tariff-dispute-beijing-9.6932452

We have some serious thinking over to do because the US doesn't appear to want Canada to have any auto sector at all.

Alberta sold 120 Billions worth of oil to the US.

Canada would have to buy a lot of F35s and Abrams annually to balance those books.

 

[MilEME09]

Not sure you realize how ridiculous this sounds when you consider that China is our second biggest trading partner, second largest import partner, and 5th largest foreign investment partner.

We already order millions of uniforms from China, it's called clothes and you see them at Walmart.

Go beyond whole sale items, look at sub components etc, its a lot

 

[brihard]

Alberta sold 120 Billions worth of oil to the US.

Canada would have to buy a lot of F35s and Abrams annually to balance those books.

“Alberta” didn’t sell oil to “the U.S.”. Companies extracting oil in Alberta sold it as a consensual exchange to companies in the U.S. who saw profit to be made from buying our oil at the agreed upon prices so they could refine it into more valuable products and earn a profit. Americans whining over trade imbalance because they want and need our oil is pathetic.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not sure you realize how ridiculous this sounds when you consider that China is our second biggest trading partner, second largest import partner, and 5th largest foreign investment partner.

We already order millions of uniforms from China, it's called clothes and you see them at Walmart.

Not too worried about my undershorts sending telemetry to China.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Maybe we should contact the South Koreans and see if they want to put their car plants here.

 

[daftandbarmy]

“Alberta” didn’t sell oil to “the U.S.”. Companies extracting oil in Alberta sold it as a consensual exchange to companies in the U.S. who saw profit to be made from buying our oil at the agreed upon prices so they could refine it into more valuable products and earn a profit. Americans whining over trade imbalance because they want and need our oil is pathetic.

FWIW while US oil reservoirs deplete, our oil sands represent about 50% of the world's recoverable oil. They need us more than we need them, in many ways:

 

[Kirkhill]

“Alberta” didn’t sell oil to “the U.S.”. Companies extracting oil in Alberta sold it as a consensual exchange to companies in the U.S. who saw profit to be made from buying our oil at the agreed upon prices so they could refine it into more valuable products and earn a profit. Americans whining over trade imbalance because they want and need our oil is pathetic.

It may be a pathetic belief but it is a belief.

The Chinese belief in their humiliation started with a perceived trade imbalance. The Brits became addicted to Chinese tea and the head shop paraphernalia that went along with it. The Chinese wouldn't take any western goods in trade. They would only accept cash, solid sterling silver. This put the Brits in a financial bind because the silver was the primary exchange medium of the Brit economy. They were running out of silver and the price of money was going up.

The Brits countered by finding something the Chinese would buy: opium.

They also countered by growing Chinese tea in Assam and Ceylon.

They reversed the cash flow.

 

[Altair]

Not too worried about my undershorts sending telemetry to China.

I dunno, PPCLI guy seemed worried about it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Trump is LASER focused on re-establishing the US as the auto building powerhouse of the Americas. Allowing a Chinese auto manufacturing company to establish a foothold in "his" market will guarantee he economically and politically punishes the hell out of us and China.

Because doing what he wants has diverted such punishment so far? Canada’s dropped a number of things from the table and the critics still say we’re being boned.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I dunno, PPCLI guy seemed worried about it.

You're peculiarly determined to mix trivialities with security vulnerabilities.