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Trump administration 2024-2028

QV said:
Running ads ahead of negotiations against your trade counterpart, especially a character like Trump, is not going to lead to a good start. What a stupid idea.
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I concur. Ford and Trump are locked in a dumb-off. Not sure that having provinces trying to pull on different levers than the Feds is at all helpful
 
PPCLI Guy said:
I concur. Ford and Trump are locked in a dumb-off. Not sure that having provinces trying to pull on different levers than the Feds is at all helpful
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If people didnt understsnd why international agreements are solely the purview of the federal government, this is an example why. A sub-national outlier may have jeopardized a national negotiation.
 
The Reagan Foundation is getting absolutely dragged on social media this morning, people are even listening to/watching the original speech and saying it does an even better job tearing apart Trumps tariffs than the ad itself.

Highlighted portions are what was used in the ad.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981686854589231414

If cost and time weren't a thing using the entire speech would have still likely resulted in a tantrum regardless.
 
Jarnhamar said:
At the end of the day Trump reacted exactly how anyone would come to expect he would react so people can blame the petulant child for having a tantrum or the adult who knew their action would cause the child to have a tantrum.
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You don't negotiate with terrorists your children just because they are or will throw a fit.
 
PrairieFella said:
If people didnt understsnd why international agreements are solely the purview of the federal government, this is an example why. A sub-national outlier may have jeopardized a national negotiation.
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I can't help but wonder if Ford and Carney are working together on this.

I can't see that Ford didn't get the 'green light' from Carney to run the ads. They seem to be in constant conservations and are seeing each other on an almost weekly basis.

If Carney didn't want Ford to run these ads, and remember these ads started running 8 days ago, not yesterday, and Ford had already been talking about these ads 12-14 days earlier (and possibly much earlier than that as it takes time to find the ad agency, pitch the idea to the ad agency, have the ad agency prepare a handful of options, review all the options, most likely air the options to target audiences, obtain feedback from those audiences, tweak the ads based on the feedback, review and agree upon the final ad, at the same time your approaching the networks about timeslots and cost to run the ads, the networks will review the ads to ensure that it meets with criteria as acceptable and then the ads finally run), Carney would have told Ford to not run them.

These ads have been running/available for viewing the in the US for 7 days BEFORE Trump came out against them. Now, the DAY before the first game of the World Series - which will have viewing around the world - which has the ONLY Canadian team playing against the LA Dodgers (based in California, a place with a Democratic Governor that Trump hates) and these ads WILL BE AIRED during the game, Trump comes out loudly against them. Come on, Carney and Ford worked together on this and both teams (Carney and Ford) had to have gamed out the various scenarios that could happen if this ad went on the US networks.
 
Czech_pivo said:
What will be interesting to see is if the ad runs tonight during the World Series in the US or if Ford pulls the ad OR if the US networks are told NOT to run the ad.
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Can't put the genie back in the bottle, it's white hot and viral now. Which I think was perhaps the point (to get people to listen to the full speech by a massive pillar of the GOP).
 
HavokFour said:
Can't put the genie back in the bottle, it's white hot and viral now. Which I think was perhaps the point (to get people to listen to the full speech by a massive pillar of the GOP).
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Wonder if a US state did something like this in Canada if we'd consider it to be 'Foreign interference on our internal affairs'.
 
Czech_pivo said:
Wonder if a US state did something like this in Canada if we'd consider it to be 'Foreign interference on our internal affairs'.
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Probably not. Not a State, but we let Postmedia Network devour a massive chunk of the news networks here after all (American bias and all).
 
CNN's view on the Ontario ad -


What the Ronald Reagan ad that got Trump so angry was really all about​


It wasn’t fake. It was edited. But Reagan really did spend a five-minute speech — an April 25, 1987, national radio address that the Reagan Library has published on YouTube — railing against tariffs. It was a full-throated expression of support for free and fair trade.

But Reagan was clear: He was “loath” to place trade barriers on Japan and believed high tariffs were damaging to American workers and the economy. He noted that economists widely believe that high tariffs of the Smoot-Hawley era had exacerbated the Great Depression, which he and others of his generation lived through – a painful memory that, he said, remained “deep and searing.”

The bulk of Reagan’s address – and the part the ad drew from most heavily – was his description of why advanced economies had largely abandoned tariffs as an economic tool by the time he became president: They increase domestic companies’ reliance on government intervention, they reduce competition, they kick off trade wars that lead to more tariffs, they raise prices and they ultimately lead to job losses.

The ad has run many times during high-profile events, including during the American League Championship series that featured the Toronto Blue Jays. Starting Friday night, the Ontario-based team will play in the World Series – a great source of national pride for Canadians

“That ad, it’s not a nasty ad,” Ford said. “It’s very factual. And coming from a person like Ronald Reagan, every Republican is going to identify that voice.”

“He was just the best president America has ever seen in my opinion,” Ford, a conservative politician, said.
 
PrairieFella said:
Can he without the Senate? That said, this spineless cowards would probably thank HRH for relieving them of the burden of managing foreign treaties.
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Congress has basically capitulated its power and is allowing the executive to do what it wants. This pack of spineless, gormless worms is no different from the Russian Duma or a majority Canadian Parliament.
 
Jason Kenney is coming out in defence of the Ontario ads and calling Trump's reaction - 'embarrassing'

Ontario premier doesn’t back down against Trump, posts video of Reagan opposing tariffs​


apnews.com

Ontario premier doesn't back down against Trump, posts video of Reagan opposing tariffs

The leader of Canada’s most populous province posted remarks by former U.S. President Ronald Reagan on social media on Friday showing Reagan opposed tariffs, hours after President Donald Trump announced he’s ending “all trade negotiations” with Canada because of a television ad that Trump said mis-s
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Jason Kenney, a former Conservative cabinet minister under ex-Prime Minister Stephen Harper, called Trump’s posts “just embarrassing.”

“The Ontario ad does not misrepresent President Reagan’s anti-tariff radio address in any respect whatsoever. It is a direct replay of his radio address, formatted for a one minute ad,” Kenney posted on social media.

“Everything that Reagan said in his pro-free trade April, 1987 radio message is consistent with the ad. In fact, everything he ever said about trade, before and after becoming President, is consistent with his principled opposition to tariffs.”

Kenney also took aim at the Reagan foundation.


“They know perfectly well that the Ontario ad captures precisely President Reagan’s opposition to tariffs, and support for free trade. But it is obvious that the Foundation now has gormless leadership which is easily intimidated by a call from the White House, yet another sign of the hugely corrosive influence of Trump on the American conservative movement,” he posted
 
Lumber said:
You don't negotiate with terrorists your children just because they are or will throw a fit.
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When your children have emotional control issues you also don't bring them out in public and trigger then on purpose.

And if you do, or in the case of Fords ads, you get to suffer the consequences.
 
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