Emergency Services Pensions

[mariomike]

Saw this in Politics,

It has to be both parties. Even if pension are a negotiable item, both parties have to agree because both parties financially contribute.

'Pulling ones weight' or 'earning their keep' is always an employment matter (I've know slugs that had five years on), but it can become more of an issue with age depending on the job. Most PS jobs don't have mandatory annual physicals or medicals so it can become a matter of peer pressure or self realization that they can't keep up. Management might try to convince a person that it's time to leave but is likely going to be very reluctant to initiate a performance action against a very senior employee.

In the example I gave, the member was a regular platoon member and by all accounts was no slouch when it comes to the usual array of back-up, bar fights, etc. He would have been in his early 70s and I find that to be not typical (I'm in my 70s and no way could handle rotating 12-hour shifts). In my experience, some members who choose not to retire are simply afraid to; they've made no plans either personal or financial. Then, of course, are the ones who have too many ex's circling the tent.

I retired a long time ago. But, there have been some interesting changes since then ,

1) 2016: Presumptive Legislation for Cumulative Mental Stress .

Financially, that means ,

If the pre-injury rate of pay is higher than the relocated position rate, then the pre-injury rate is to be maintained. It is understood that the pre-injury rate is subject to all wage increases negotiated.

As the largest city in Canada, there are many "suitable" positions for Permanently Partially Disabled ( PPD ) members to be relocated to.

As long as you can blink your eyes, they will find you something. You can hang around until you finally drop dead, if that is what you want.

2 ) 2021: Our Retirement System eliminated the 35-year cap ie: Members are no longer capped at 70%.

They can now run it up to 100%, and beyond, if that's what they want.

 

[lenaitch]

Saw this in Politics,



I retired a long time ago. But, there have been some interesting changes since then ,

1) 2016: Presumptive Legislation for Cumulative Mental Stress .

Financially, that means ,



As the largest city in Canada, there are many "suitable" positions for Permanently Partially Disabled ( PPD ) members to be relocated to.

As long as you can blink your eyes, they will find you something. You can hang around until you finally drop dead, if that is what you want.

2 ) 2021: Our Retirement System eliminated the 35-year cap ie: Members are no longer capped at 70%.

They can now run it up to 100%, and beyond, if that's what they want.

Same with the OPP. It has always been pretty decent about looking after its 'disabled' members. Some mental illnesses are difficult to accommodate because of liability issues but they do they.

I knew a member who was blinded when shot at close range and ended up being an intelligence analyst with a voice-to-text software back when that was pretty groundbreaking stuff. There is also a member who lost a leg in an m/c collision and is now back on the road (not riding) sporting some fancy high-tech prosthetic leg.

 

[mariomike]

Same with the OPP. It has always been pretty decent about looking after its 'disabled' members. Some mental illnesses are difficult to accommodate because of liability issues but they do they.

I knew a member who was blinded when shot at close range and ended up being an intelligence analyst with a voice-to-text software back when that was pretty groundbreaking stuff. There is also a member who lost a leg in an m/c collision and is now back on the road (not riding) sporting some fancy high-tech prosthetic leg.

They are still police officers.

With us, if PPD, not fit for duty, you're still a City employee. But, no longer a Paramedic.

A "suitable position" might be Arena Pool Operator, Deckhand , Heavy Equipment Operator, tractor-trailer driver, etc.

That's just our union - the outside workers.

If they cant accommodate you in a suitable position, our much larger sister union - the inside workers , definitely will.

Clean, inside work, no heavy lifting and a thermostat on the wall.

Doesn't affect your paramedic pay rate, and you still get their negotiated pay raises and OT etc.

I go to our pensioner luncheons. The Chiefs attend . There was always a fear at the top of our dept. that if an honourable path , with wage protection, existed to escape 9-1-1 Operations ( ie: Cumulative Mental Stress) many would take it.

That path didnt exist during our time. But, it does now. From what we have been told, many have taken it.