Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

[Rjgillies]

As a civvie I found this post on the difference between FFH and AOPS crew structure useful in understanding the challenges of getting the manpower side locked in.

Likely old hat to those of you in the know.

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[Colin Parkinson]

As a civvie I found this post on the difference between FFH and AOPS crew structure useful in understanding the challenges of getting the manpower side locked in.

Likely old hat to those of you in the know.

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Great link thank you

 

[Swampbuggy]

Got an opportunity to spend a little time with HMCS MARGARET BROOKE this afternoon in Toronto. Welcoming crew, informative officers and a nice chat with the Captain and the Cox’n made for an awesome visit to see these useful and impressive vessels.

I noticed the Cox’n had his own chair on the starboard side of the bridge and when I asked him about it, the Captain burst out laughing and they exchanged a look. I wasn’t sure what it was all about, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before on an RCN bride, though I obviously stand to be corrected by those in the know here.

 

[FSTO]

Got an opportunity to spend a little time with HMCS MARGARET BROOKE this afternoon in Toronto. Welcoming crew, informative officers and a nice chat with the Captain and the Cox’n made for an awesome visit to see these useful and impressive vessels.

I noticed the Cox’n had his own chair on the starboard side of the bridge and when I asked him about it, the Captain burst out laughing and they exchanged a look. I wasn’t sure what it was all about, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before on an RCN bride, though I obviously stand to be corrected by those in the know here.

That would be the XO's chair.

 

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[SeaKingTacco]

That would be the XO's chair.

Or the Senior Officer, if one is onboard.

 

[Swampbuggy]

Or the Senior Officer, if one is onboard.

The reason I asked the Captain and the Cox’n was because it had “Cox’n” embroidered into the fabric on the back of it. As I mentioned, I’ve never seen that before and was curious, but their reaction when I brought it up was almost like an inside joke.

 

[Underway]

It's called the SO chair (Senior officer), but usually the XO sits in it, or the Watch Officer does sometimes during the night watch or when they are supervising Jr. Officers.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The reason I asked the Captain and the Cox’n was because it had “Cox’n” embroidered into the fabric on the back of it. As I mentioned, I’ve never seen that before and was curious, but their reaction when I brought it up was almost like an inside joke.

Someone totally made that as a joke.

 

[Swampbuggy]

Someone totally made that as a joke.

That would definitely explain her reaction. The Captain was having a pretty solid laugh when I brought it up.

 

[Stoker]

So why not certify the flight deck for helo ops and use the hanger for the storage of offensive UAV's and possibly a launching system in the hanger that rolls out. Repurpose the avionics and aircrew spaces for 3D printing of drone components. Turn AOPS into a drone carrier?

 

[Lumber]

So why not certify the flight deck for helo ops and use the hanger for the storage of offensive UAV's and possibly a launching system in the hanger that rolls out. Repurpose the avionics and aircrew spaces for 3D printing of drone components. Turn AOPS into a drone carrier?

Because the Air Force.

 

[Stoker]

Because the Air Force.

It's not like we're in any hurry to get AOPS fully certified. They've been going to the Arctic for some time now, do we really need to operate a helo that badly.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

TC/CCG fly's smaller helicopters off of smaller heli-decks, maybe see if they contract out a helicopter or two for domestic deployments?

 

[Stoker]

TC/CCG fly's smaller helicopters off of smaller heli-decks, maybe see if they contract out a helicopter or two for domestic deployments?

The RCN already has a MOU with the CCG to operate CCG helos from the deck of AOPV's. That really hasn't happened but I suppose its all about the lack of flight deck certification. Again do we need to operate helos on AOPV's from the hanger or at all? It seems like AOPS can operate in the Arctic without a helo and do fine. Use the hanger for the current and planned RCN drones and have the ability to stage offensive drones with payload from the ship.

 

[DBNSG]

It's not like we're in any hurry to get AOPS fully certified. They've been going to the Arctic for some time now, do we really need to operate a helo that badly.

That might depend on how seriously crew members get sick.

 

[Furniture]

It's not like we're in any hurry to get AOPS fully certified. They've been going to the Arctic for some time now, do we really need to operate a helo that badly.

We are in a hurry, but aviation standards don't bend to RCN whims...

The RCN already has a MOU with the CCG to operate CCG helos from the deck of AOPV's. That really hasn't happened but I suppose its all about the lack of flight deck certification. Again do we need to operate helos on AOPV's from the hanger or at all? It seems like AOPS can operate in the Arctic without a helo and do fine. Use the hanger for the current and planned RCN drones and have the ability to stage offensive drones with payload from the ship.

CCG Hellos are civilian, which means in some ways, their standards for operations are actually higher than ours. The RCN can't fly helos from AOPVs because the RCN and RCAF don't think it's worth effort/money.

We don't have stokers advise on helo ops, for the same reason Met Techs don't give advice on engineering configurations...

 

[Stoker]

That might depend on how seriously crew members get sick.

True the risk is there. They also have a large well stocked sickbay with actual medical professionals. When the Kingston Class was deployed to the Arctic with virtually no sickbay other than the wardroom and often longer than AOPS has deployed with no helo and flightdeck.

 

[Stoker]

We are in a hurry, but aviation standards don't bend to RCN whims...


CCG Hellos are civilian, which means in some ways, their standards for operations are actually higher than ours. The RCN can't fly helos from AOPVs because the RCN and RCAF don't think it's worth effort/money.

We don't have stokers advise on helo ops, for the same reason Met Techs don't give advice on engineering configurations...

Well "hurry" its a relative tern isn't it, especially in the RCN. If its not worth the money, continue to certify the flightdeck to receive helo's and pivot the hanger capability to offensive drones and drones for surveillance and ice spotting. MARTECH's usually don't but we do have something to do on the firefighting systems to land a helo and all that other pesty engineering.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Well "hurry" its a relative tern isn't it, especially in the RCN. If its not worth the money, continue to certify the flightdeck to receive helo's and pivot the hanger capability to offensive drones and drones for surveillance and ice spotting. MARTECH's usually don't but we do have something to do on the firefighting systems to land a helo and all that other pesty engineering.

When the AOPs were first designed, the RCN took a deliberate decision to cut corners on the hangar and flight deck, in order to save money.

Fast forward to today. In order to reverse that decision, it is going to take both time and money to unwind that decision.