The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[ytz]

I don't think we will see many of the 4-4.5 Gens going anywhere soon. The F16, 15 etc will be around for another 15-20 years.

The F-16 will definitely be out of American inventory by 2050. But we're planning on keeping anything we buy well past that. This is the problem.

 

[MilEME09]

The F-16 will definitely be out of American inventory by 2050. But we're planning on keeping anything we buy well past that. This is the problem.

However, with the case of the Gripen, with a full tech transfer, this means we could do our own upgrade programs, modifications and keep replacement components going, potentially down the pipe of an in house program to replace it in 20+ years.

F35, how hard will it be to upgrade in 10 years even?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm not even sure of what I'm asking, but I seem to recall some talk about the F35 and electronic interoperability with other aircraft. Is the Gripen able to link with and work in conjunction with F35's electronics? If it can't, how do we operate under the new continental defence dome? I assume the US would be using F35s.

Make sense?

 

[JLB50]

I wish that guy would just shut his trap.

The more Canada does what Trump and Hoekstra want, the worse things will get for us. They want nothing less than to destroy us as a nation so that they can pick up the pieces. The two of them think like hedge fund managers. They smell blood and want to go in for the kill.

 

[childs56]

The F-16 will definitely be out of American inventory by 2050. But we're planning on keeping anything we buy well past that. This is the problem.

Yet indications are the F16 will be in service with the US military until at least 2048 and longer if they can push the airframes past the 12000hr mark. We are looking at 20-25years from now. Which means it might not be a bad idea to buy a decent 4.5 gen aircraft.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The more Canada does what Trump and Hoekstra want, the worse things will get for us. They want nothing less than to destroy us as a nation so that they can pick up the pieces. The two of them think like hedge fund managers. They smell blood and want to go in for the kill.

75% to go, 25% completed.

That’s how we need to look at things. We’re close to having completed 1 of the 4yrs we have to deal with Trump.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I wonder whose offshore bank accounts are being padded.

On this forum or elsewhere?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Dual fleet may have some merits. If going 5th and 6th gen. But we're replacing a 4th gen fleet with a fleet of 4.5 Gen (at best) and 5th Gen. We're going to do this in the 2030s as the major powers are starting to field 6th gen and proliferate 5th Gen platforms everywhere. See Trump selling F-35s to Saudi. Putin selling Su-57s to Algeria. And China selling J-35s to Pakistan.

We're also doing this right as autonomy is taking off and forces like the USAF plan to have 3 CCAs for every manned jet. So we're going to fly Gripens to do things that others will use CCAs and drones for. And we're doing to do this into the 2050s. At least.

All this for jobs. But even in Brazil, Saab themselves (on their website) say that their assembly plant has 200 jobs:

Gripen final assembly line

Gavião Peixoto (SP) The production line for the F-39 Gripen E was inaugurated in Brazil on May 9, 2023. This marks another historic milestone in the F-39 Gripen program, establishing the first production line for the fighter outside of Sweden.

www.saab.com

Are the Brits, Germans and French not ordering, right now, more Eurofighters and Rafale’s?
Answer: Yes

At the same time they are receiving more F35’s?
Answer: Yes

At the same time they are working - outside of the US - on their own 6th gen fighters? Answer: Yes

So you’ve read the proposals from SAAB and it clearly says that CAA is not on the table, its not in the works in the future?

I’ve said it before, stick with the 88 but look elsewhere for other options and our future.