The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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I just don’t understand the logic of replacing Gen 4 fighters with…Gen 4 fighters, which is what I’m afraid the GoC will do. I have a hard time seeing them going with this SAAB deal and still purchase at least 65 American Gen 5 fighters…
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Has anyone actually decided to cut the F35 order? Or proceed with the buy beyond the first 16 yet? Or is this still speculation?
Like some others here I am in favour of buying all 88 F35s. At the same time LM and the US have not been doing themselves any favours by letting situations like this occur:
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
It is not just the US that has been hurt by the Continuous Improvement exercise that has delayed Block 4 and US weapons integration. Lack of access to a continually changing software system is not going to allow foreign partners to integrate their full inventory of weapons with the F35 in a timely fashion. Development needs to happen at Ukrainian pace and that means Israeli levels of access to the codes.
Israel's F35's weapons suite
Rampage ALBM
1000 kg bomb that can be internally carried
Python 5 AAM
Spice PGM Bombs (1000 and 2000 lb)
Derby AAM
EW suite nationally procured
C4I suite that operates on top of the factory sets
As well as the US made
GBU-31 JDAM and
AIM-120 AMRAAM.
....
UK - AIM-132 and Paveway IV
Norway - AIM-120, JDAM, SDB, AIM-9X, JSM
US - AIM-120, AIM-9X, JDAM (GBU-31, -32, -38) GBU-12 Paveway II, GBU-39 SDB, B61-12 Nuclear Gravity Bomb)
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The feel is less one of co-operation and more one of compulsion.
Like some others here I am in favour of buying all 88 F35s. At the same time LM and the US have not been doing themselves any favours by letting situations like this occur:
UK confirms FC/ASW fit checks on F-35B, no integration plan
F-35B fit checks were conducted to confirm that FC/ASW could be mounted "if required", with no current plan to integrate it to the aircraft.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
It is not just the US that has been hurt by the Continuous Improvement exercise that has delayed Block 4 and US weapons integration. Lack of access to a continually changing software system is not going to allow foreign partners to integrate their full inventory of weapons with the F35 in a timely fashion. Development needs to happen at Ukrainian pace and that means Israeli levels of access to the codes.
Israel's F35's weapons suite
Rampage ALBM
1000 kg bomb that can be internally carried
Python 5 AAM
Spice PGM Bombs (1000 and 2000 lb)
Derby AAM
EW suite nationally procured
C4I suite that operates on top of the factory sets
As well as the US made
GBU-31 JDAM and
AIM-120 AMRAAM.
....
UK - AIM-132 and Paveway IV
Norway - AIM-120, JDAM, SDB, AIM-9X, JSM
US - AIM-120, AIM-9X, JDAM (GBU-31, -32, -38) GBU-12 Paveway II, GBU-39 SDB, B61-12 Nuclear Gravity Bomb)
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The feel is less one of co-operation and more one of compulsion.
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Meanwhile, how about the Gripen as an advanced trainer with combat utility?
The Swedish Air Force goes straight from the Grob to the Gripen. Is it that easy to fly? Would it make a Hawk replacement that could be an intermediate step between the Pilatus and the F35?
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The Swedish Air Force goes straight from the Grob to the Gripen. Is it that easy to fly? Would it make a Hawk replacement that could be an intermediate step between the Pilatus and the F35?
Sweden orders additional Grob 120TP aircraft - Alert 5
The Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) has signed a contract for three more Grob 120TP training aircraft, further enhancing the Swedish Air Force’s training capabilities. This follows an initial order in 2021 for 10 aircraft and a simulator, demonstrating Sweden’s commitment to...
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Grob G 120TP - Wikipedia
Meanwhile, how about the Gripen as an advanced trainer with combat utility?
The Swedish Air Force goes straight from the Grob to the Gripen. Is it that easy to fly? Would it make a Hawk replacement that could be an intermediate step between the Pilatus and the F35?
Sweden orders additional Grob 120TP aircraft - Alert 5
The Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) has signed a contract for three more Grob 120TP training aircraft, further enhancing the Swedish Air Force’s training capabilities. This follows an initial order in 2021 for 10 aircraft and a simulator, demonstrating Sweden’s commitment to...alert5.comGrob G 120TP - Wikipedia
Kirkhill, here is Canadian Defence Review's article on the Gripen,
canadiandefencereview.com
Saab GRIPEN Canada - Fighter Jet - Canadian Defence Review
Saab GRIPEN E: With renewed interest in the RCAF operating a mixed fleet of F-35s and Gripens, CDR is revisiting our Gripen E cover story.
canadiandefencereview.com
They sound like fans…Kirkhill, here is Canadian Defence Review's article on the Gripen,
Saab GRIPEN Canada - Fighter Jet - Canadian Defence Review
Saab GRIPEN E: With renewed interest in the RCAF operating a mixed fleet of F-35s and Gripens, CDR is revisiting our Gripen E cover story.
