CAF Member Arrested and Charged Relating to Foreign Interference

[Halifax Tar]

Looked him up on the GAL. Let's just say this is not a place where you'd expect a breach like this. They will and should throw the book at this guy.

And of course his FB is full of convoy sympathy. Fits the profile.

Reset the counter I guess.....

You found his FB ? Must have been taken down by the time I looked.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Usual reminder: According to Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, "Any person charged with an offence has the right .... to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal" - none of the allegations have been proven in court.

This from MSM so far ...

Canadian Armed Forces member charged in foreign interference investigation

OTTAWA - A member of the Canadian Armed Forces has been arrested and charged in a joint police operation looking into foreign interference and security of information.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Canadian Armed Forces member charged in foreign interference investigation

A senior non-commissioned member of the Canadian Armed Forces’ intelligence-gathering unit has been arrested and charged as part of an ongoing investigation into foreign interference.

www.ctvnews.ca

"Canadian military intelligence member charged with espionage, says DND" (CBC)

Globe & Mail version (archived beyond firewall) here.

 

[JLB50]

Foreign interference? The way I see it, that’s a pretty benign description by the government.. Am I wrong or does it suggest that the person being arrested is less guilty than the foreign entity trying to get an advantage over Canada? To me, it’s about spying. It’s about betrayal. It’s about warfare by other means. And if what I have just said doesn’t apply to the person being arrested, then maybe he shouldn’t have even charged at all. In other words, call a spade a spade and don’t sugarcoat it.

 

[ytz]

Usual reminder: According to Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, "Any person charged with an offence has the right .... to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal" - none of the allegations have been proven in court.

This applies to the law. Not social judgment.

Foreign interference? The way I see it, that’s a pretty benign description by the government.. Am I wrong or does it suggest that the person being arrested is less guilty than the foreign entity trying to get an advantage over Canada? To me, it’s about spying. It’s about betrayal. It’s about warfare by other means. And if what I have just said doesn’t apply to the person being arrested, then maybe he shouldn’t have even charged at all. In other words, call a spade a spade and don’t sugarcoat it.

If the charges are related to their current position, I suspect they've given up information on people rather than ops. Or even acted on a foreign government's information/persuasion to nullify a clearance. There's more than selling secrets that's dangerous here.

 

[Jarnhamar]

 

[The Bread Guy]

This applies to the law. Not social judgment.

100% - for better or worse. Still always a good reminder in places where opinion & speculation can range wildly, even before facts are fully out there.

It WILL be intriguing to see what comes out, given the menu of charges.

 

[dapaterson]

It WILL be intriguing to see what comes out, given the menu of charges.

The nature of the charges suggests that the trial may be informed by that of Cameron Ortiz, with proceedings in camera and limited information released to the public, after vetting by security officials and both Crown and defence counsel.

 

[CBH99]

Given the nature of the charges, I wonder if there is a lot more to the story. I'm looking forward to hearing more as this unfolds.

Oh I can almost guarantee you that there's more to the story. Almost always is.

Whatever gets put in the disclosure file & discussed in open court will be pretty mindful to not directly or indirectly say anything that could compromise investigative techniques, intelligence sources, imvolvement of specific foreign intelligence services, etc etc

 

[The Bread Guy]

The nature of the charges suggests that the trial may be informed by that of Cameron Ortiz, with proceedings in camera and limited information released to the public, after vetting by security officials and both Crown and defence counsel.

For sure. I'm most curious about the alleged malingering, myself, given that (I suspect) that's a pretty rare charge - not to mention it stands out like the turd in a punchbowl full of other security charges.

 

[dapaterson]

For sure. I'm most curious about the alleged malingering, myself, given that (I suspect) that's a pretty rare charge - not to mention it stands out like the turd in a punchbowl full of other security charges.

My 100% uneducated guess would be it went something like:

0630: Hi boss cough cough, I have COVID and don't want to infect anyone so I will be staying home

1015: Hello comrade, good to see you here in the park again, here is that flash drive filled with the CDS' browsing history

 

[dapaterson]

Some additional details on the CBC; he has hired Rory Fowler for representation on admin actions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-intelligence-officer-espionage-charge-9.7014251

 

[ModlrMike]

There should be correspondence from DMCA on the RM. If he was given an RW, I highly doubt "you know what you did" was the totality of the interview.

 

[Furniture]

There should be correspondence from DMCA on the RM. If he was given an RW, I highly doubt "you know what you did" was the totality of the interview.

100%.

He was likely briefed on the specifics, but they can't be recorded in a Pro B pers file.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

100%.

He was likely briefed on the specifics, but they can't be recorded in a Pro B pers file.

That seems entirely likely that if he committed an act requiring a remedial measure and that act was in the classified arena, the remedial measure would have to be classified.

Would not be the first time an accused has been economical with the truth when talking to the media.

 

[OldSolduer]

Watching and shooting here. This is an interesting one.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Some additional details on the CBC; he has hired Rory Fowler for representation on admin actions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-intelligence-officer-espionage-charge-9.7014251

Interesting quote from Mr. Fowler:

"He was quite literally told by his chain of command: 'You know what you did,'" said Fowler, who added the response was: "No, actually you have to spell it out. That's your obligation. And that's what we're dealing with here."

I just wrapped up a UDI on Friday, nothing a serious as this, but you most defiantly have to tell the accused what they are accused of.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

What surprised the hell out of me was that this was not a commissioned officer. I just expect that type of action from a commissioned officer (sorry about that, it's the way I am). But I never expect it from a warrant to chief-warrant officer.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What surprised the hell out of me was that this was not a commissioned officer. I just expect that type of action from a commissioned officer (sorry about that, it's the way I am). But I never expect it from a warrant to chief-warrant officer.

I will walk back my statement about traitors amongst us.

That article from the CBC leads me to believe this story has a lot more to say. And I will hold my position until/if the details are released.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I will walk back my statement about traitors amongst us.

That article from the CBC leads me to believe this story has a lot more to say. And I will hold my position until/if the details are released.

I am not prejudging the individual. I am just commenting on the nature of the infraction described. I just can't wrap my head around a Warrant to Chief Warrant doing this. Persons of that rank literally hold together the ships, squadrons and regiments.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I am not prejudging the individual. I am just commenting on the nature of the infraction described. I just can't wrap my head around a Warrant to Chief Warrant doing this. Persons of that rank literally hold together the ships, squadrons and regiments.

We don't know what or if he has actually done anything yet. The accusation seems to be alarming, but I would like to see the details of what he is accused of doing.