CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I don't think our flighting aged population at large feels the same.

Is that a flaw of character or merely the fact that our fighting age population has never lived in a country and in a time where you needed to think about having to fight for your country. In retail, where I work these days, I have to deal with many a young Canadian and many are beginning to ask themselves questions along those lines.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Is that a flaw of character or merely the fact that our fighting age population has never lived in a country and in a time where you needed to think about having to fight for your country. In retail, where I work these days, I have to deal with many a young Canadian and many are beginning to ask themselves questions along those lines.

I think they have been taught Canada is a systemically racist and bigoted country and I think they have been taught out history is evil to be disregarded.

I also believe they see a country that has been set up to pamper, shelter and look after older generation at their expense.

People need to see something worth fighting for and saving. And I'm not sure our youth see that right now.

 

[Good2Golf]

I think they have been taught Canada is a systemically racist and bigoted country and I think they have been taught out history is evil to be disregarded.

You forgot ‘genocidal.’

 

[Brad Sallows]

so you're a patriot that doesn't think their country is worth fighting for.

It's worth fighting for, but I reject the premise that it is unconditionally worth fighting for.

I grew up a long time ago, and I've never felt uncomfortable travelling in the US. By my standards of perception, much of Canada is slightly to moderately neurotic. Much of the shit people come up with to worry about just has me shaking my head, including here.

For those who think people who think like me ought to move on: obviously the people who have been changing Canada for the past decades did not think they ought to move on (eg. to some European social welfare paradise). It'd be pretty stupid to believe that only some people are entitled to grouse for change.

 

[suffolkowner]

Service to a country isn't measured only in uniforms. Citizenship isn't a hierarchy.

someone has to pay taxes

 

[Halifax Tar]

someone has to pay taxes

Everyone pays taxes.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's worth fighting for, but I reject the premise that it is unconditionally worth fighting for.

I grew up a long time ago, and I've never felt uncomfortable travelling in the US. By my standards of perception, much of Canada is slightly to moderately neurotic. Much of the shit people come up with to worry about just has me shaking my head, including here.

For those who think people who think like me ought to move on: obviously the people who have been changing Canada for the past decades did not think they ought to move on (eg. to some European social welfare paradise). It'd be pretty stupid to believe that only some people are entitled to grouse for change.

Sorry you said Grouse and my mind went to hunting and whiskey.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Everyone pays taxes.

Not always with the new ‘tax free’ deployment rules.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not always with the new ‘tax free’ deployment rules.

That's temporary, we still pay taxes before and after.

And it's only up to LCol.

Tax Relief for Personnel Deployed on Designated International Operational Missions - Canada.ca

Tax Relief for Personnel Deployed on Designated International Operational Missions

www.canada.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Those are different goalposts. There are lots of countries in the world I could happily live in, despite whichever flaws I think each has. The point was about resisting American invasion. I'd make the same challenge to those "hoping" for a resistance if I lived in New Zealand and they were (irrationally) concerned about (unlikely) takeover by Australia. Pose the question with Russia or China in the place of the US or Australia and I'll give a different short answer.

Those who "hope" people will kill and die for Canada if it's invaded by a particular country should try making the case for the specific scenario, not wash themselves in vague aspirations that a bundle of social welfare programs is worth the cost.

It's possible to be patriotic and to be severely critical. Every time I vote, I vote for the position closest to what I would prefer, undeterred by leadership qualities or vague imaginary worries of the electorally near-impossible ascension of some severe brand of social conservativism. And I advocate for it, which is what I'm doing right now. And I will dissent if someone tries to propose that killing or being killed by Americans is really worth anything, which is the same position I take on dealing with any unilaterally seceding region of Canada being opposed by force.

Happily living in and being annexed are not the same thing.

I've happily lived in Belgium, Holland, Czech Republic and the US. I've not lived in one of these countries during a time period when they were forcibly annexed.

The erasing of a country's complete history/culture is NOT something that I want to go through. When I lived in the Czech Republic that was ALL around me - the erasing of centuries of German history/culture

It's worth fighting for, but I reject the premise that it is unconditionally worth fighting for.

I grew up a long time ago, and I've never felt uncomfortable travelling in the US. By my standards of perception, much of Canada is slightly to moderately neurotic. Much of the shit people come up with to worry about just has me shaking my head, including here.

For those who think people who think like me ought to move on: obviously the people who have been changing Canada for the past decades did not think they ought to move on (eg. to some European social welfare paradise). It'd be pretty stupid to believe that only some people are entitled to grouse for change.

A country that has over 250million personal firearms, from .38 Specials to full auto AK47's, is more than 'slight neurotic'.

 

[brihard]

I think they have been taught Canada is a systemically racist and bigoted country and I think they have been taught out history is evil to be disregarded.

You forgot ‘genocidal.’

I hope you guys don’t actually think these have been succesfully mainstreamed in the beliefs of our youth?

I’ve been a continuous part time university student for years… I keep getting older, I keep taking classes with young twenty somethings, I’m in the same lectures getting the same lessons they are, in social sciences at a relatively ‘progressive’ school. Yeah there’s the odd prof and student advocate who leans heavily that way, but most of us are continuing through with very little encounter with them and even less attention paid. Careful you don’t get too much to thinking that the social media echo chambers respect the majority of the normies…

 

[suffolkowner]

Everyone pays taxes.

ok a net tax contributor

 

[Halifax Tar]

I hope you guys don’t actually think these have been succesfully mainstreamed in the beliefs of our youth?

I’ve been a continuous part time university student for years… I keep getting older, I keep taking classes with young twenty somethings, I’m in the same lectures getting the same lessons they are, in social sciences at a relatively ‘progressive’ school. Yeah there’s the odd prof and student advocate who leans heavily that way, but most of us are continuing through with very little encounter with them and even less attention paid. Careful you don’t get too much to thinking that the social media echo chambers respect the majority of the normies…

I'd be happy to be wrong.

Half of Canadians would volunteer to fight if war breaks out, and fewer young people, poll finds

For years, the Canadian Armed Forces has been dealing with a recruitment crisis and public pride in the military has taken a hit.

nationalpost.com

36% of young Canadians are less willing to enlist in armed forces: Poll

As Canada plans to increase military spending to meet NATO’s commitment, about half of Canadians say if there is an armed conflict, they are willing to fight for their country. “If there was a threat to Canada, then that would be a better reason than if there was a threat somewhere,” said Cole...

edmonton.citynews.ca

Gen Z wants to help Canada — just not with guns

New poll finds Gen Z backs one year of mandatory civilian service in Canada, but not in the army — Canadian Affairs asked them why

www.canadianaffairs.news

 

[Halifax Tar]

ok a net tax contributor

So Alberta and Saskatchewan ?

 

[suffolkowner]

So Alberta and Saskatchewan ?

whats their net tax?

 

[Good2Golf]

I hope you guys don’t actually think these have been succesfully mainstreamed in the beliefs of our youth?

I’ve been a continuous part time university student for years… I keep getting older, I keep taking classes with young twenty somethings, I’m in the same lectures getting the same lessons they are, in social sciences at a relatively ‘progressive’ school. Yeah there’s the odd prof and student advocate who leans heavily that way, but most of us are continuing through with very little encounter with them and even less attention paid. Careful you don’t get too much to thinking that the social media echo chambers respect the majority of the normies…

Oh, I don’t think that the majority of GenZ or younger millennials truly believes that Canada committed genocide on its first nations peoples. That said, when the leader of a country is using social media and other venues to transmit that message, when can’t help but wonder a little bit just how much was absorbed, particularly from the group that provide provided much support to Syd leader of the day.

 

[FSTO]

I'd be happy to be wrong.

Gen Z wants to help Canada — just not with guns

New poll finds Gen Z backs one year of mandatory civilian service in Canada, but not in the army — Canadian Affairs asked them why

www.canadianaffairs.news

Those ones can join the Navy or Air Force.

 

[Halifax Tar]

whats their net tax?

No idea when I googled what a net tax contributor was it basically defined them.

 

[suffolkowner]

No idea when I googled what a net tax contributor was it basically defined them.

do provinces transfer money to the federal govt?
GST?

 

[Halifax Tar]

do provinces transfer money to the federal govt?
GST?

Federal Transfer Payments ?