All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[Fishbone Jones]

See if I've got this right. These guys have no legal standing. They can't negotiate anything. Just some rabble rousers that the liberal news consortium are using to misdirect our attention from a real problem somewhere else. Don't we have something similar to the Logan Act?

 

[Remius]

See if I've got this right. These guys have no legal standing. They can't negotiate anything. Just some rabble rousers that the liberal news consortium are using to misdirect our attention from a real problem somewhere else. Don't we have something similar to the Logan Act?

I’m pretty sure these guys are the ones trying to stay in the media cycle.

 

[MilEME09]

I’m pretty these guys are the ones trying to stay in the media cycle.

Doesn't help when bots push it on social media, and the rebel, western Sentinel etc all give them air time. Im sure rules have been broken sonewhere by these guys but without proof not much can be done

 

[The Bread Guy]

So the the loan wasnt the only thing discussed....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022042267431973108

More on that from the NBC story sourced by the Daily Beast:

Canadian separatists optimistic after meetings with Trump officials

U.S. officials tamped down on the meetings with the Alberta separatists, saying no senior staffers were present and no commitments were made.

www.nbcnews.com

Archived version here.

See if I've got this right. These guys have no legal standing. They can't negotiate anything. Just some rabble rousers that the liberal news consortium are using to misdirect our attention from a real problem somewhere else.

So you'd be OK with any "no legal standing/can't negotiate anything/rabble rouser" folks, pissed off with Ottawa hitting up, say, China for similar help? Like loans or help with their own military?

Don't we have something similar to the Logan Act?

I stand to be corrected, but not directly (re: it's illegal to illegal for Joe or Jane Schmoe to officially negotiate with a foreign government as official reps without permission/authority). We do have stuff covering interference, spying and national security stuff that can kick in, but not exactly "can't be a freelance diplomat" rules.

 

[MilEME09]

I stand to be corrected, but not directly (re: it's illegal to illegal for Joe or Jane Schmoe to officially negotiate with a foreign government as official reps without permission/authority). We do have stuff covering interference, spying and national security stuff that can kick in, but not exactly "can't be a freelance diplomat" rules.

Global affairs does have to authorize foreign diplomatic travel. No idea what the rules around that are for private citizens though

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So you'd be OK with any "no legal standing/can't negotiate anything/rabble rouser" folks, pissed off with Ottawa hitting up, say, China for similar help? Like loans or help with their own military?

Isn't Carney already doing that?
Bad enough people are going to our allies for this. Red China should be a non starter. I have no idea what would be legal for someone choosing that route. I will say though anyone outside of government, negotiating Canadian sovereign rights, especially with any communist, totalitarian government should be 'penalized.'

I don't know how you think I'd be OK with it.

 

[Lumber]

Isn't Carney already doing that?
Bad enough people are going to our allies for this. Red China should be a non starter. I have no idea what would be legal for someone choosing that route. I will say though anyone outside of government, negotiating Canadian sovereign rights, especially with any communist, totalitarian government should be 'penalized.'

I don't know how you think I'd be OK with it.

He wouldn't. He's assuming you'd be a hypocrite. You're saying these are just rabble rousers and the only reason we are discussing it so much is because the "liberal media" is blowing it up to "distract us". If instead of trying to court the US's aide they were instead found to have courted China's aide, he's saying you wouldn't be calling them just "rabble rousers" but would instead be losing your shit. And you know what, I agree with his rhetorical insinuation. I think if they had met with Chinese officials instead of American ones, you wouldn't be calling them rabble rousers and blaming the liberal media for the attention they're getting, you'd be losing your fucking mind and demanding they be put to the firing squad.

 

[OldSolduer]

Jeff saying us like he served.......
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who is this clown Rath? And the idiot that responded?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Isn't Carney already doing that?

Barring evidence of Canada seeking help from the CCP on building a new CF, or asking China for a line of credit to keep the lights on, no.

I don't know how you think I'd be OK with it.

Given you’re comfortable downplaying self-identifying separatists (going to the point of telling the US “no thanks” to 51st status) to break away from
Canada hitting up a country poking us and others, I just asked to clarify where you draw the line on who can ask who for what if they say they want to break up Canada

 

[MilEME09]

who is this clown Rath? And the idiot that responded?

Rath is a lawyer and one of the senior people at the Alberta prosperity project. Marty is a oil and gas engineer, self proclaimed racist, separatist, and dare a say a creep after some of his vulgar sexual comments

 

[lenaitch]

I'd say it's treason, even if it doesn't meet the CC definition.

They are inviting a neighbour to occupy sovereign Canadian soil, before even having discovered whether or not the people of the province want to separate.

There's another way to look at it. Again assuming it is reported accurately, of all the laundry list of things to think about, particularly at this stage, when you are working towards a sovereign country, why would setting up an army be high on the list? Perhaps needing one once your are sovereign (although I'm still not convinced, assuming a legal and amicable split), but why now? It would be astonishingly stupid, but setting up a non-state army while still technically part of Canada would be an insurrection.

Maybe they want to channel the American Revolution, but even they must read polls.

Even their asking for a line-of-credit from the US seems odd, given that their social media rhetoric says they will have money coming out of their ass.

 

[MilEME09]

Even their asking for a line-of-credit from the US seems odd, given that their social media rhetoric says they will have money coming out of their ass.

Only one making money from separation is Rath, as a lawyer he will weasel his way onto the negotiating team so he can enrich him self.

 

[Furniture]

There's another way to look at it. Again assuming it is reported accurately, of all the laundry list of things to think about, particularly at this stage, when you are working towards a sovereign country, why would setting up an army be high on the list? Perhaps needing one once your are sovereign (although I'm still not convinced, assuming a legal and amicable split), but why now? It would be astonishingly stupid, but setting up a non-state army while still technically part of Canada would be an insurrection.

Maybe they want to channel the American Revolution, but even they must read polls.

Even their asking for a line-of-credit from the US seems odd, given that their social media rhetoric says they will have money coming out of their ass.

The whole thing is ridiculous, and propped up by anti LPC sentiment. If PP had won, I imagine none of this would carry any weight.

There is a real issue of the West feeling alienated and belittled by the central government, but separation isn't the answer.

All of the foolishness with America right now is a poison I doubt the average "separatist" is even considering. They are so caught-up in the "Quebec steals our money" line that they aren't thinking past that to the long term consequences.

 

[MilEME09]

Rath is a lawyer and one of the senior people at the Alberta prosperity project. Marty is a oil and gas engineer, self proclaimed racist, separatist, and dare a say a creep after some of his vulgar sexual comments

Forgot to mention Marty also now has a podcast run by the western Sentinel.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022402097589985744

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Barring evidence of Canada seeking help from the CCP on building a new CF, or asking China for a line of credit to keep the lights on, no.

Given you’re comfortable downplaying self-identifying separatists (going to the point of telling the US “no thanks” to 51st status) to break away from
Canada hitting up a country poking us and others, I just asked to clarify where you draw the line on who can ask who for what if they say they want to break up Canada

In September, Mark Carney officially became the Chair of Trudeau's Task Force on Economic Growth. In October, Carney met with the Deputy Director of the People's Bank of China. Just two weeks later, news broke that Brookfield secured a quarter billion dollar loan from the Chinese state-owned bank. Is he working for Canada, Brookfield or Red China?

If you want to do the American Revolution thing, you can ask anyone for whatever help you think you need. Interceding to break up the country, behind the government's back, with the percieved enemy, should rate a length of rope.

You have no idea where my comfort zone is.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

He wouldn't. He's assuming you'd be a hypocrite. You're saying these are just rabble rousers and the only reason we are discussing it so much is because the "liberal media" is blowing it up to "distract us". If instead of trying to court the US's aide they were instead found to have courted China's aide, he's saying you wouldn't be calling them just "rabble rousers" but would instead be losing your shit. And you know what, I agree with his rhetorical insinuation. I think if they had met with Chinese officials instead of American ones, you wouldn't be calling them rabble rousers and blaming the liberal media for the attention they're getting, you'd be losing your fucking mind and demanding they be put to the firing squad.

I don't know who's in charge of me most days. The chances of any of you armchair psychologists being able to decipher what is going on in my brain housing group is laughable.

I've got a Grade 10 (1979) education. The chances of me communicating on the same level as a professional journalist (Bread Guy) or university degrees, when writing my replies, is just waiting on the inevitable trashing from people that assume I am as educated as they are.

 

[The Bread Guy]

In September, Mark Carney officially became the Chair of Trudeau's Task Force on Economic Growth. In October, Carney met with the Deputy Director of the People's Bank of China. Just two weeks later, news broke that Brookfield secured a quarter billion dollar loan from the Chinese state-owned bank. Is he working for Canada, Brookfield or Red China?

Country loans private company money =/= separatists asking country x for a line of credit and help building a military to break away from country y. Wordsmith it however you like, they're not the same.

... If you want to do the American Revolution thing, you can ask anyone for whatever help you think you need. Interceding to break up the country, behind the government's back, with the percieved enemy, should rate a length of rope.

Is the difference between the "American Revolution thing" and "breaking up a country, behind the governent's back" is whether someone agrees with the winners or the losers? Sort of like the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters?

You have no idea where my comfort zone is.

Never said I did. That's why I asked.

And my "professional journalist" days are too loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong behind me to be of any use to me now, especially with people who are as seasoned, passionate and detailed about their political views as you, bud!