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Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

Interesting message, in this day and age I wonder if the population over there (and eventually here) are ready to hear it.

Germany is on the '180 program' in alot of ways, so I'm guessing they're going to be banging that drum alot in the near future...
 

For China, an aggressive Iran – like its other allies Russia and North Korea – is a useful vehicle for fixing the Western adversary and presenting so many diversions that the US risks becoming overwhelmed by multiple threats. It is to create, as the father of military theory Von Clausewitz would say, “friction”, tying down the American Gulliver and giving China global freedom of manoeuvre.

The Trump administration’s response has been dramatic. It is trying to deliver a shattering blow not only to Iran’s despicable regime, but also to China’s hopes of using the country to set the geostrategic conditions it needs prior to a potential Taiwan invasion. Taken in conjunction with Trump’s capture of Venezuela’s dictator Nicolas Maduro on January 3 – another major oil supplier to China – the US is knocking out China’s strategic diversions, cutting its tentacles one by one.

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The US is using raw power to prevent war in future years by ensuring that it will have the maximum conventional naval deterrence against China. It is raw power to support a US-led international order – despite foolish noises off over Canada or Greenland. It is raw power in aid of a world order that the US and the UK established after the Second World War. This is not a defence of everything Trump has said and done, nor a guarantee that the US will win, but there is a clear strategic aim.
 
If the Regime falls, Iranian oil will eventually ramp up and provide a steady supply and give China an opportunity to provide modern refineries to Iran and long term contracts at good prices for legal oil.

If they play by "the rules"
If they are willing to take the time to get the job done right.
 
Kind of interesting.

If this is all about Chinese oil from Iran hasn't Trump already achieved something by having the Iranians close the Straits of Hormuz?
One of the articles mentions that China has been stockpiling oil to survive a blockade in the event they invade Taiwan. If they are depleting the oil now due to the Iranian actions would that then set back any action on Taiwan?
 
Kind of interesting.

If this is all about Chinese oil from Iran hasn't Trump already achieved something by having the Iranians close the Straits of Hormuz?
One of the articles mentions that China has been stockpiling oil to survive a blockade in the event they invade Taiwan. If they are depleting the oil now due to the Iranian actions would that then set back any action on Taiwan?
I hadn't thought of that, but it certainly sounds plausible & likely...nice catch!



This smart mouth should be sentenced to life in front of a firing squad.
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And just think, this guy didn't just spurt something out that sounded dumb...and then quickly corrected himself

No he sat at a keyboard somewhere. Logged into a computer. And deliberately typed that out & posted it...thinking HE'S as close to a modern day philosopher as one can be.


That's a kind of stupid that isn't fixable
 
This smart mouth should be sentenced to life in front of a firing squad.
He isn't being smart-assed; he's just displaying ignorance.

When it takes fewer people to do X amount of work, some of the former employed are available for other work.

Most of the people who generations ago were working hard in agriculture would today be working hard at entirely different things, many of which weren't even imagined back then.

And there has been some shortening of most peoples' work weeks.
 

Canada should buy it. I don’t know how, but our strategic resources should not be owned by communist adversaries. Especially Red China. They have a habit of replacing domestic employment with all of their own citizens. Production, supervision, cooks, laundry, etc. Theynalso do pretty well whatever they want. Including ignoring our firearms laws.

Armed agents seen at Chinese energy project in northern Alberta​


 
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China's in the economic doldrums....


China sets lowest economic growth target since 1991

China has cut its annual economic growth target to a range of 4.5%-5%, the lowest expansion goal since 1991 as it grapples with challenges both at home and abroad.

It is the first time the target has been lowered since it was cut to "around 5%" in 2023. A target was not set in 2020 due to the pandemic.

The details were released during China's biggest political gathering, known as the "two sessions", alongside the release of some details of the 15th Five Year Plan for the world's second largest economy.

Beijing aims to reshape its economy as it faces issues like weak consumption, a shrinking population, an ongoing property crisis, global trade tensions and an energy crunch due to the Iran war.


 
China's in the economic doldrums....


China sets lowest economic growth target since 1991

China has cut its annual economic growth target to a range of 4.5%-5%, the lowest expansion goal since 1991 as it grapples with challenges both at home and abroad.

It is the first time the target has been lowered since it was cut to "around 5%" in 2023. A target was not set in 2020 due to the pandemic.

The details were released during China's biggest political gathering, known as the "two sessions", alongside the release of some details of the 15th Five Year Plan for the world's second largest economy.

Beijing aims to reshape its economy as it faces issues like weak consumption, a shrinking population, an ongoing property crisis, global trade tensions and an energy crunch due to the Iran war.


It might be their lowest goal for economic growth since 1991, but it still blows our economic growth clean out of the water...

For reference, I think our forecast sits at between 1% and like 1.3% compared to their 4.5% to 5%

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Kirkhill pointed out something interesting earlier, re Iranian oil exports to China being effected by Straight of Hormuz closure.

So that forecast of theirs will probably need some revision soon...
 
The article might be better suited for a more science based thread, but I'll post it here just because of the China connection...

Interesting science for sure! Certainly the ideas are creative & have merit (and seems quite doable given what my pee brain understands)


It would be so cool to one day get a look at what technological adventures various governments have gone on behind closed doors


 
It might be their lowest goal for economic growth since 1991, but it still blows our economic growth clean out of the water...

For reference, I think our forecast sits at between 1% and like 1.3% compared to their 4.5% to 5%

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Kirkhill pointed out something interesting earlier, re Iranian oil exports to China being effected by Straight of Hormuz closure.

So that forecast of theirs will probably need some revision soon...

Regardless of their growth, they have a huge, internal, systemic change issue that is not likely to be resolved: unlike the USA the people of China are notorious under-consumers.

They don't trust their government so save every dime they can.

This ongoing reliance on external trade, especially with the USA, might just keep China reliant on the West to the point where they can't risk a Taiwan invasion etc...


China’s consumption problem

The Chinese Communist Party has made increasing domestic consumption a priority to ensure economic growth. Ahead of the next Five-Year Plan being announced in March, the Party’s current macroeconomic strategy is likely to significantly limit the effectiveness of their policy solutions however.

As China’s rate of economic growth slows, the country’s leaders have become increasingly concerned that the economy remains overly dependent on investment- and export-driven growth. Since then-premier Wen Jiabao said in 2007 that China needs to ‘adjust the balance between investment and consumption’, policymakers have repeatedly emphasised the need to boost consumption to fix this imbalance.

In December 2025, the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) theoretical journal Qiushi published a compilation of remarks made by President Xi Jinping since 2015 on the importance of consumption to China’s economy. The piece declared ‘expanding domestic demand is a strategic move’ and emphasised a decision at last December’s Central Economic Work Conference (CEWC) to make boosting consumption the number one economic priority for 2026. Doing so will support the overall objective of increasing domestic demand.

The upcoming 15th Five-Year Plan, due to be announced next month, is, however, unlikely to include either a large-scale stimulus or the structural reforms necessary to significantly rebalance the economy away from investment- and export-driven growth. Efforts to boost consumption will likely remain limited to the ‘investment in people’ concept, which focuses on fixing the problem of precautionary savings as well as additional plans to boost incomes. The Party believes that more significant measures would derail its priority economic objectives: China becoming a world leader in advanced technology, and maintaining internal stability. Despite leaders’ emphasis on boosting consumption, China’s macroeconomic strategy will therefore continue to limit their options for rebalancing the economy, while improving China’s social-safety net is unlikely to significantly grow domestic demand in the short term.


 
Low quality and the wrong kit for the wrong war?

Chinese arms exports are quite interesting, I find...

Have there been many instances over the last few years where Chinese kit has catastrophically failed a client state? Or any instances at all?



Russian air defence systems don't seem to be all that reliable lately, not against the west's new war toys anyways...

(Re S300 & S400 seeming pretty outmatched by the F-35 & all those dark little tricks they bring to the fight.

I don't know if a single S300 or 400 has been able to even effectively release a single munition against the high tech lightning warfare the Americans have become so darn good at.



Maybe sales are down because Chinese export military tech is largely just reverse engineered & modified Russian export military tech...and countries have been watching that equipment perform pretty poorly during these short recent campaigns?

A lot of countries are probably observing western military kit vs eastern military kit these days & are being given pause to keep on waiting and watching, and quietly keeping their eyes out for any alternative solutions to their security challenges... 🤷🏼‍♂️


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I think MANPADS have become the bigger threat in most theatres these days, as they can literally be anywhere & can't really be targeted specifically by aircraft. And their effective.

This is partially because the level the S300 + S400 is supposed to play at has been dominated by the Americans for a long time now, and those Russian systems are basically just coffins at this point.

Not that the system is a bad system, it's just the tools of the game have been being revolutionized far more by one side than the other...



It's no longer bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Now it's bringing a knife to a fight against a network of advanced sensors + interconnected advanced platforms among all 5 domains (air, land, sea, space, cyber) advanced electronic warfare & cyber warfare enablers + a wide variety of directed energy weapons + sonic weapons + precision strike weapons + hypersonic space shit

Caveman vs Terminator + Star Trek levels of tech overmatch most of the time


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If I was in charge of some country's military procurement, and I'm watching the various active wars happening right now where Russian and/or Chinese AD systems are supposedly active in those theatres...I'd probably be noticing a common theme among them all...

Those systems have been so outclassed they don't even get a chance to fire. And they probably don't need paperweights that big?
 
Chinese arms exports are quite interesting, I find...

Have there been many instances over the last few years where Chinese kit has catastrophically failed a client state? Or any instances at all?



Russian air defence systems don't seem to be all that reliable lately, not against the west's new war toys anyways...

(Re S300 & S400 seeming pretty outmatched by the F-35 & all those dark little tricks they bring to the fight.

I don't know if a single S300 or 400 has been able to even effectively release a single munition against the high tech lightning warfare the Americans have become so darn good at.



Maybe sales are down because Chinese export military tech is largely just reverse engineered & modified Russian export military tech...and countries have been watching that equipment perform pretty poorly during these short recent campaigns?

A lot of countries are probably observing western military kit vs eastern military kit these days & are being given pause to keep on waiting and watching, and quietly keeping their eyes out for any alternative solutions to their security challenges... 🤷🏼‍♂️


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I think MANPADS have become the bigger threat in most theatres these days, as they can literally be anywhere & can't really be targeted specifically by aircraft. And their effective.

This is partially because the level the S300 + S400 is supposed to play at has been dominated by the Americans for a long time now, and those Russian systems are basically just coffins at this point.

Not that the system is a bad system, it's just the tools of the game have been being revolutionized far more by one side than the other...



It's no longer bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Now it's bringing a knife to a fight against a network of advanced sensors + interconnected advanced platforms among all 5 domains (air, land, sea, space, cyber) advanced electronic warfare & cyber warfare enablers + a wide variety of directed energy weapons + sonic weapons + precision strike weapons + hypersonic space shit

Caveman vs Terminator + Star Trek levels of tech overmatch most of the time


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If I was in charge of some country's military procurement, and I'm watching the various active wars happening right now where Russian and/or Chinese AD systems are supposedly active in those theatres...I'd probably be noticing a common theme among them all...

Those systems have been so outclassed they don't even get a chance to fire. And they probably don't need paperweights that big?

If I was in charge of anybody's anything I would not buy Chinese goods.

All the mecanical and electrical goods of Chinese origin that I have had the misfortune to cross have performed equally as well as the tires they supplied their Russian mates.

 
Chinese arms exports are quite interesting, I find...

Have there been many instances over the last few years where Chinese kit has catastrophically failed a client state? Or any instances at all?



Russian air defence systems don't seem to be all that reliable lately, not against the west's new war toys anyways...

(Re S300 & S400 seeming pretty outmatched by the F-35 & all those dark little tricks they bring to the fight.

I don't know if a single S300 or 400 has been able to even effectively release a single munition against the high tech lightning warfare the Americans have become so darn good at.



Maybe sales are down because Chinese export military tech is largely just reverse engineered & modified Russian export military tech...and countries have been watching that equipment perform pretty poorly during these short recent campaigns?

A lot of countries are probably observing western military kit vs eastern military kit these days & are being given pause to keep on waiting and watching, and quietly keeping their eyes out for any alternative solutions to their security challenges... 🤷🏼‍♂️


....

I think MANPADS have become the bigger threat in most theatres these days, as they can literally be anywhere & can't really be targeted specifically by aircraft. And their effective.

This is partially because the level the S300 + S400 is supposed to play at has been dominated by the Americans for a long time now, and those Russian systems are basically just coffins at this point.

Not that the system is a bad system, it's just the tools of the game have been being revolutionized far more by one side than the other...



It's no longer bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Now it's bringing a knife to a fight against a network of advanced sensors + interconnected advanced platforms among all 5 domains (air, land, sea, space, cyber) advanced electronic warfare & cyber warfare enablers + a wide variety of directed energy weapons + sonic weapons + precision strike weapons + hypersonic space shit

Caveman vs Terminator + Star Trek levels of tech overmatch most of the time


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If I was in charge of some country's military procurement, and I'm watching the various active wars happening right now where Russian and/or Chinese AD systems are supposedly active in those theatres...I'd probably be noticing a common theme among them all...

Those systems have been so outclassed they don't even get a chance to fire. And they probably don't need paperweights that big?
I seem to remember reading at the beginning of the Ukraine war that the Chinese made tires that the Russians used were absolute dog shit.
 
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