Loadsa "independents" on the Ballot Discussion (split from PP by-election)

[RangerRay]

My biggest beef with all the PR and PR adjacent systems is the loss of local representation. Any system I have seen, particularly in rural areas, local representation is lost. You’re more likely to have an MP even more clueless about your area than before.

 

[ModlrMike]

All the static noise about PR and similar systems obscures the reality that in Canada, we don't have a single election, we have 338 individual ones.

 

[McG]

My biggest beef with all the PR and PR adjacent systems is the loss of local representation. Any system I have seen, particularly in rural areas, local representation is lost. You’re more likely to have an MP even more clueless about your area than before.

There are options beyond FPTP and PR. We are not stuck in a binary choice.

 

[RangerRay]

There are options beyond FPTP and PR. We are not stuck in a binary choice.

I was also talking about mixed systems I’ve seen. During the first B.C. single transferable vote referendum, I studied the proposal and voted in favour. It seemed to me to be the best one that balanced proportionality and representation. Although it received a majority vote, it didn’t meet the minimum thresholds for ridings in favour and a certain percentage province-wide in favour.

A few years later, they held a second referendum. This time there were more details into how the ridings and MLAs were to be distributed. To say I was shocked was an understatement. Ridings outside of the Lower Mainland were put in 5 member “super ridings” which were massive and centred around one medium sized city. There was no pretence of local representation. Not surprisingly, it went down in defeat when people were shown the details.

I’ve also looked at other mixed systems like Germany and New Zealand. The biggest complaint of those systems is like mine, loss of local representation because the ridings become so huge.

I’d love to see a PR system that didn’t sacrifice local representation. I am currently unaware of any that do.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My biggest beef with all the PR and PR adjacent systems is the loss of local representation. Any system I have seen, particularly in rural areas, local representation is lost. You’re more likely to have an MP even more clueless about your area than before.

Any system will have its pros and cons. I am coming to lean towards the Swiss method PR and Direct Democracy.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I’d love to see a PR system that didn’t sacrifice local representation. I am currently unaware of any that do.

Do you actually feel like you're getting something from your current local representation ? I don't. My MP is Lena Metlage Diab.

 

[RangerRay]

Do you actually feel like you're getting something from your current local representation ? I don't. My MP is Lena Metlage Diab.

No. He’s a Liberal nepo-baby. Most of the ones I’ve had were trained seals for their respective parties. But at least he represents my area and knows what’s going on here.

 

[PrairieFella]

I was also talking about mixed systems I’ve seen. During the first B.C. single transferable vote referendum, I studied the proposal and voted in favour. It seemed to me to be the best one that balanced proportionality and representation. Although it received a majority vote, it didn’t meet the minimum thresholds for ridings in favour and a certain percentage province-wide in favour.

A few years later, they held a second referendum. This time there were more details into how the ridings and MLAs were to be distributed. To say I was shocked was an understatement. Ridings outside of the Lower Mainland were put in 5 member “super ridings” which were massive and centred around one medium sized city. There was no pretence of local representation. Not surprisingly, it went down in defeat when people were shown the details.

I’ve also looked at other mixed systems like Germany and New Zealand. The biggest complaint of those systems is like mine, loss of local representation because the ridings become so huge.

I’d love to see a PR system that didn’t sacrifice local representation. I am currently unaware of any that do.

MMPR. You still elect a local rep but your PR share goes to an elector list. Pick a ratio, ex. 70% local, 30% elector and you maintain local representation but the final result is far more proportionate.