Replacing the Subs

[Eaglelord17]

That would be the only way possible - but only IF they don't buy a unionized yard as I don't see them having a chance in hell in getting to their level of automation in a union shop. Again, happy to be wrong here.

You can do it, it is just a fight you have to have. Even if you buy a non-unionized yard it can very easily and quickly become unionized.

Unions aren’t all bad and in many cases they are necessary, especially in larger companies. Otherwise the little guy can get crushed by accident.

Many in the military don’t realize this but the reality is the military is basically unionized. You have a issue you file a grievance based on policy etc. That grievance moves up the CoC until it is resolved one way or another.

Pretty much how a union works, you have a collective agreement, when said agreement is violated you file a grievance and either gets resolved immediately or goes to arbitration to resolve.

Striking and all that is basically limited to bargaining time.

I think Noah is going to post more about it on their website today.
Irving/Seaspan/Davie or a smaller yard like Ontario Shipyards?
If the yards are having a hard time finding workers no one should oppose automation that still leads to more work

You would be surprised at what a union will fight. For example my shop we have a CNC burning table which is a blessing. It allows us to cut out over a foot thick stock into rough bearing housings, parts, etc. for us to machine to finish sizes or just get sent to the fabricators to assemble/weld if it’s low enough tolerance.

Our union has been fighting it for over a decade because it ‘costs burners jobs’. It totally does but they want to run like it’s 1960 because it employs a bit over 20 employees and gets a worse result.

So due to this fight they are restricted to running the table to day shift 5 days a week until it is resolved. Meanwhile the company would rather run it 24/7 and employ about 3 more people on it.

Many unions want to just lock everything in at whatever time period they started at and will fight tooth and nail to prevent positive change in the name of protecting jobs.

 

[DBNSG]

You can do it, it is just a fight you have to have. Even if you buy a non-unionized yard it can very easily and quickly become unionized.

Unions aren’t all bad and in many cases they are necessary, especially in larger companies. Otherwise the little guy can get crushed by accident.

Many in the military don’t realize this but the reality is the military is basically unionized. You have a issue you file a grievance based on policy etc. That grievance moves up the CoC until it is resolved one way or another.

Pretty much how a union works, you have a collective agreement, when said agreement is violated you file a grievance and either gets resolved immediately or goes to arbitration to resolve.

Striking and all that is basically limited to bargaining time.

You would be surprised at what a union will fight. For example my shop we have a CNC burning table which is a blessing. It allows us to cut out over a foot thick stock into rough bearing housings, parts, etc. for us to machine to finish sizes or just get sent to the fabricators to assemble/weld if it’s low enough tolerance.

Our union has been fighting it for over a decade because it ‘costs burners jobs’. It totally does but they want to run like it’s 1960 because it employs a bit over 20 employees and gets a worse result.

So due to this fight they are restricted to running the table to day shift 5 days a week until it is resolved. Meanwhile the company would rather run it 24/7 and employ about 3 more people on it.

Many unions want to just lock everything in at whatever time period they started at and will fight tooth and nail to prevent positive change in the name of protecting jobs.

Interseting view from the Front as it were.

Last Summer here in Nova Scotia or I should say the independent Republic of Cape Breton the boys went on Strike.
EVERYONE of the trades and locals all went on strike at the same time to slow the progress on the addition to Cape Breton Regional Hospital. Funny enough just after the buildings concreate topped out. Its now late March and the strike long settled but nothing has happened at the hospital site since last Summer. Empty 6 story concrete shell, not a window in sight.

Meanwhile here in Halifax the new Hospital addition ( 30 years late ) PCL and Ellis Don are well on the way to building a 14 story new Victoria General. And the beat go's on.

 

[MilEME09]

for those that didn't watch the press conference today, Carney said the decision on subs will be made by end of Q2

 

[HavokFour]

for those that didn't watch the press conference today, Carney said the decision on subs will be made by end of Q2

Things seem to be on track with what's been speculated then, a June announcement.

 

[GR66]

Things seem to be on track with what's been speculated then, a June announcement.

Hanwha Ocean's KSS-III Submarine Departs for Canada - Canadian Defence Review

A next-generation Korean-built KSS-III submarine has departed for Canada, marking a milestone in bilateral defence cooperation between Canada and Korea. The submarine is scheduled to arrive in Victoria, British Columbia in late May.

canadiandefencereview.com

Hanwha Ocean’s KSS-III Submarine Departs for Canada​

Two Royal Canadian Navy submariners will board the KSS-III submarine in Hawaii to participate in the remainder of the journey to Canada

A next-generation Korean-built KSS-III submarine has departed for Canada, marking a milestone in bilateral defence cooperation between Canada and Korea. The submarine is scheduled to arrive in Victoria, British Columbia in late May.

The Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy’s Dosan Ahn Changho set sail from Jinhae Naval Base on March 25 to participate in a Republic of Korea–Canada naval cooperative exercise scheduled for June. The deployment includes a 14,000-kilometre trans-Pacific voyage, the longest ever undertaken by a Korean submarine, underscoring both its long-endurance operational capability and the growing strategic alignment between Canada and the Republic of Korea in global maritime security.

Coincidence?

 

[suffolkowner]

Coincidence?

Hanwha has a faster delivery schedule for sure. First one delivered at signing

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Hanwha Ocean's KSS-III Submarine Departs for Canada - Canadian Defence Review

A next-generation Korean-built KSS-III submarine has departed for Canada, marking a milestone in bilateral defence cooperation between Canada and Korea. The submarine is scheduled to arrive in Victoria, British Columbia in late May.

canadiandefencereview.com

Hanwha Ocean’s KSS-III Submarine Departs for Canada​

Two Royal Canadian Navy submariners will board the KSS-III submarine in Hawaii to participate in the remainder of the journey to Canada

A next-generation Korean-built KSS-III submarine has departed for Canada, marking a milestone in bilateral defence cooperation between Canada and Korea. The submarine is scheduled to arrive in Victoria, British Columbia in late May.

The Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy’s Dosan Ahn Changho set sail from Jinhae Naval Base on March 25 to participate in a Republic of Korea–Canada naval cooperative exercise scheduled for June. The deployment includes a 14,000-kilometre trans-Pacific voyage, the longest ever undertaken by a Korean submarine, underscoring both its long-endurance operational capability and the growing strategic alignment between Canada and the Republic of Korea in global maritime security.

Pretty amazing considered it was just launched in October(?) 2025.

 

[calculus]

Pretty amazing considered it was just launched in October(?) 2025.

No, it (the Dosan Ahn Chang-ho, a batch 1 sub) was commissioned in August 2021. You might be thinking of the first batch 2 version.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

No, it (the Dosan Ahn Chang-ho, a batch 1 sub) was commissioned in August 2021. You might be thinking of the first batch 2 version.

My bad! Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Rainbow1910]

I think its fairly clear that Hanwha would be unable to purchase any of the major shipbuilding yards such as Irving, Davie and Seaspan however, there is a number of smaller repair yards across the country they could realistically buy and upgrade to work as repair/maintenance yards for the purposes of the CPSP with adequate investment.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Things seem to be on track with what's been speculated then, a June announcement.

Here's an article that outlines when the SK sub will be in BC.

Department of National Defence spokesperson Andrée-Anne Poulin said Thursday that the visit and exercises would take place from May 23 to June 2. The submarine will be accompanied by a South Korean frigate, she noted.

Why a South Korean submarine is travelling 14,000 kilometres to Canadian waters

Visit to Canada comes just before expected announcement of sub competition winner.

ca.news.yahoo.com

EDIT:

An awful long way for the SK's to send a sub only to be told 1-3 weeks later, 'Sorry, thanks for coming out but we are going with the other guys who don't have a sub in the water yet. Hope you have a safe sail back home.'

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think its fairly clear that Hanwha would be unable to purchase any of the major shipbuilding yards such as Irving, Davie and Seaspan however, there is a number of smaller repair yards across the country they could realistically buy and upgrade to work as repair/maintenance yards for the purposes of the CPSP with adequate investment.

Your thoughts on them buying the old Saint John Shipyard site and making a go of that?

With the facility in CB (Sydney) being selected as the home of the future CCG heavy icebreakers and the St John's Dockyard going through a reno, which other east coast sites could there be?

 

[Dana381]

Your thoughts on them buying the old Saint John Shipyard site and making a go of that?

With the facility in CB (Sydney) being selected as the home of the future CCG heavy icebreakers and the St John's Dockyard going through a reno, which other east coast sites could there be?

There is the East Isle Shipyard in P.E.I. It built hull modules for the Halifax class. It has been closed for years. Google shows its still there.

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[Stoker]

There is the East Isle Shipyard in P.E.I. It built hull modules for the Halifax class. It has been closed for years. Google shows its still there.

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Yes they also built the bow sections for the Kingston Class.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

An awful long way for the SK's to send a sub only to be told 1-3 weeks later, 'Sorry, thanks for coming out but we are going with the other guys who don't have a sub in the water yet. Hope you have a safe sail back home.'

I can see Canada doing just that...

 

[Stoker]

Your thoughts on them buying the old Saint John Shipyard site and making a go of that?

With the facility in CB (Sydney) being selected as the home of the future CCG heavy icebreakers and the St John's Dockyard going through a reno, which other east coast sites could there be?

There's also the Marystown shipyard in NL. I'd bet the new owners would love to get rid of it.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

There's also the Marystown shipyard in NL. I'd bet the new owners would love to get rid of it.

Seems like it has potential. From the photo, they have enough dock space, buildings and what appears to be a synchro lift? What the condition is of the infrastructure and are there enough trades and sub-contractors to support the work are important questions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/marystown-shipyard-marbase-1.6881002

 

[YZT580]

Why would they limit themselves to renovating an existing site? There are any number of harbours (Argentia for one) that would offer the acreage needed to construct the necessary infrastructure in support of a sub. base. To my mind it would actually make sense to co-locate it with a naval yard dedicated to the subs and get them out of Halifax. We don't have adequate infrastructure now to handle all the proposed increases so build an entirely new base complete with the requisite shipyard, accommodation for the crews, support facilities etc. It probably wouldn't cost any more than trying to refurbish a shipyard that hasn't seen a hull in 20 years.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

You also have Group Ocean's yard at Les Mechouins on the Gaspe peninsula coast. It already has a 200m long drydock and room to expand by building new modern shops.

In any events, submarines can easily transit the Seaway, so you shouldn't rule out the Ontario shipyards, especially if you also intend on bidding on the CDCs (why not, the Korean have demonstrated that they are quite up on what's happening in Canada in the defense sector. Why would they not want to be in a position to bid on that?).

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Why would they limit themselves to renovating an existing site? There are any number of harbours (Argentia for one) that would offer the acreage needed to construct the necessary infrastructure in support of a sub. base. To my mind it would actually make sense to co-locate it with a naval yard dedicated to the subs and get them out of Halifax. We don't have adequate infrastructure now to handle all the proposed increases so build an entirely new base complete with the requisite shipyard, accommodation for the crews, support facilities etc. It probably wouldn't cost any more than trying to refurbish a shipyard that hasn't seen a hull in 20 years.

That would entail, however, that the government of Canada elects to build a base there first before the Korean decide to build there also, from scratch.