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Ontario Government (Conservative majority), 2025-29

It was even better if you were a 'shop teacher'. They all came from industry and did a summer course (or maybe two) on 'how to be a teacher'. The professional academics put an end to that. How many high schools have shops now?

It's like when I took 'law enforcement' at community college. All of our profs were retired coppers. Professional academics have pretty much put an end to that. Some colleges still have some ex-coppers as part-time faculty.
Colleges and universities interestingly enough have no formal standards for this and will ‘generally’ hire competent people from the field.

The shops teacher part irks me. I would likely switch to being a shops teacher (red seal machinist, working on getting a red seal millwright ticket too, have the time and signed book, just need to formalize it all), but the year without pay is a deal breaker for me considering I make as much as a top end teacher right now.

Plus starting I would be at the bottom of the scale and likely stay close to the bottom end because I don’t have a degree, and you need those to move up the pay scale.

My 12 years of job experience with a diploma and full apprenticeship isn’t worth anywhere near a fresh out of university teacher who just got a degree and went straight into teaching. Despite the fact I can walk out of there into a 50$+ a hour job without issue.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
 
Colleges and universities interestingly enough have no formal standards for this and will ‘generally’ hire competent people from the field.

The shops teacher part irks me. I would likely switch to being a shops teacher (red seal machinist, working on getting a red seal millwright ticket too, have the time and signed book, just need to formalize it all), but the year without pay is a deal breaker for me considering I make as much as a top end teacher right now.

Plus starting I would be at the bottom of the scale and likely stay close to the bottom end because I don’t have a degree, and you need those to move up the pay scale.

My 12 years of job experience with a diploma and full apprenticeship isn’t worth anywhere near a fresh out of university teacher who just got a degree and went straight into teaching. Despite the fact I can walk out of there into a 50$+ a hour job without issue.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
I don't know where he got his engine skills but the chap teaching small engines locally was a history major
 
I don't know where he got his engine skills but the chap teaching small engines locally was a history major
It would be interesting to know the 'flow' of shop teachers in today's system. Are they accredited ('regular') teachers who took a course or two for further accreditation, with or without some inherent interest and skills, or did they come from industry and jumped through the regulatory hoops. As I mentioned - somewhere - back in the day, all of my shop teachers came from industry, and my high school had every shop imaginable (wood. metal, electrical/electronics, auto, HVAC, construction, and I've probably missed a few). I'm not sure they exist to that extent now. I know my daughter's high school had wood, metal and auto but I don't remember if that carried over when they built the new school.

When I took a small engine night course at a community college it was a non-credit course so they could hire pretty much anybody they wanted and our instructor was a m/c mechanic by day.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
Interesting question and it might have personal considerations, such as home life (tired of chasing work, looking for regular hours, etc.), health, etc. Back when big box reno stores first broke into the Canadian market, like Home Depot and Rona, a lot of the employees came from the trades. The ones I spoke to had simply retired but some had health issues that prevented them from some physical aspects of their trade. Of course, most of that is gone now since they mostly hire part-timers who have little clue.
 
It would be interesting to know the 'flow' of shop teachers in today's system. Are they accredited ('regular') teachers who took a course or two for further accreditation, with or without some inherent interest and skills, or did they come from industry and jumped through the regulatory hoops. As I mentioned - somewhere - back in the day, all of my shop teachers came from industry, and my high school had every shop imaginable (wood. metal, electrical/electronics, auto, HVAC, construction, and I've probably missed a few). I'm not sure they exist to that extent now. I know my daughter's high school had wood, metal and auto but I don't remember if that carried over when they built the new school.

When I took a small engine night course at a community college it was a non-credit course so they could hire pretty much anybody they wanted and our instructor was a m/c mechanic by day.


Interesting question and it might have personal considerations, such as home life (tired of chasing work, looking for regular hours, etc.), health, etc. Back when big box reno stores first broke into the Canadian market, like Home Depot and Rona, a lot of the employees came from the trades. The ones I spoke to had simply retired but some had health issues that prevented them from some physical aspects of their trade. Of course, most of that is gone now since they mostly hire part-timers who have little clue.
for at least the course offerings it seems to depend heavily upon the school board's focus on education. I don't believe that there is a standard, at least for Ontario. My school offered pretty much the same as yours but it no longer exists.
 
April 2030. That's a fair long stretch yet. 4 years. Lots and lots of shenanigans to watch yet. I don’t put much, if any, stock in polls. Let alone polls forecasting 4 years out. Misdeeds will be forgotten, bad manners forgiven. Who knows, if the current leaders will even be around, let alone running. 3.5 years of watching the hamster wheel of comedy. Then a serious 6 month look at the survivors. 🙂
YMMV😉
 
He would certainly take a big bite out of "Ford Nation".
I was being sarcastic but, you are right in the sense that any opposition party that shows itself to be a credible government-in-waiting would take a bite out of the Conservatives. Their brand is getting long in the tooth, but the alternatives currently don't look too promising.
 
It would be interesting to know the 'flow' of shop teachers in today's system. Are they accredited ('regular') teachers who took a course or two for further accreditation, with or without some inherent interest and skills, or did they come from industry and jumped through the regulatory hoops. As I mentioned - somewhere - back in the day, all of my shop teachers came from industry, and my high school had every shop imaginable (wood. metal, electrical/electronics, auto, HVAC, construction, and I've probably missed a few). I'm not sure they exist to that extent now. I know my daughter's high school had wood, metal and auto but I don't remember if that carried over when they built the new school.

When I took a small engine night course at a community college it was a non-credit course so they could hire pretty much anybody they wanted and our instructor was a m/c mechanic by day.


Interesting question and it might have personal considerations, such as home life (tired of chasing work, looking for regular hours, etc.), health, etc. Back when big box reno stores first broke into the Canadian market, like Home Depot and Rona, a lot of the employees came from the trades. The ones I spoke to had simply retired but some had health issues that prevented them from some physical aspects of their trade. Of course, most of that is gone now since they mostly hire part-timers who have little clue.
I tried to enroll my daughter into a hobby welding course, there was nobody offering such, despite the proliferation of cheap small welders on the market. Also all of the shop classes in my area are gutted and at best are a mere shadow of what they once where.
 
Not sure what his teaching credentials were, but our Industrial Arts teacher ( boys only, back then, Home Economics was girls only - Sorry, I didn't run the Board of Education. I barely existed in it. ) showed us how to be effective and useful and take pride in our work.

I guess the question was / is, if they had gone through a standard teacher training program, how would they have approached their assignment?
 
I tried to enroll my daughter into a hobby welding course, there was nobody offering such, despite the proliferation of cheap small welders on the market. Also all of the shop classes in my area are gutted and at best are a mere shadow of what they once where.

My HS had a shop room fully equipped for automotive and woodworking. The teacher however refused having an extra set or two of adult hands so the singular "class" consisted of 4 students, hand picked by him. There was space in that room for 20+ students to do their own things, and I know this because there were pictures of classes from the 80s and 90s on the wall next to the main door.

Years later it turns out he was using the space as his own personal workspace for vehicles owned by his family and friends, which explained why the 4 hand picked students only ever did woodworking while there were always different cars in the shop they never got to touch.
 
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I was being sarcastic but, you are right in the sense that any opposition party that shows itself to be a credible government-in-waiting would take a bite out of the Conservatives. Their brand is getting long in the tooth, but the alternatives currently don't look too promising.
Personally I don't like Ford and never have, way to corrupt for my liking. That being said the reason he has been so successful is the lack of any reasonable competition. Voter turnout reflects this, I didn't vote last provincial election, they all sucked as options to the point of not being worth even a protest vote.
 
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