New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I love how ignorant the press is of naval matters: Yes, they do say the picture of the warship is only "representative", but for God's sake, don't take a picture of a ship that's been gone for thirty years and is not even German. That's HMS Plymouth - a Rothesay class (Type 12) frigate (before the Leanders).

The controversy surrounding her was the long time she was bounced around after decommissioning so Trust could see to her restoration as a museum ship, which eventually failed and she was sent to the breakers about 10 years ago.

I mean you just ask Google to give you pictures of "warship F126 class" and all sorts of pictures of the actual German ships pop up.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The replacement for the F126

MEKO A-200 DEU-class frigate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I see that CMS-330 made the cut in the new German frigate. Another Canadian win!

 

[Underway]

I see that CMS-330 made the cut in the new German frigate. Another Canadian win!

I think that the cut is for two reasons. First Germany needs closer to home protections, the Baltic and North sea, and a large overseas deployable ship isn't something in their strategic wheelhouse anymore.

Secondly the 126's were supposed to be AEGIS ships, massive ones at that. More hulls and a non-US combat system may be more palatable. Numbers of hulls vs bigger hulls.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think that the cut is for two reasons. First Germany needs closer to home protections, the Baltic and North sea, and a large overseas deployable ship isn't something in their strategic wheelhouse anymore.

Secondly the 126's were supposed to be AEGIS ships, massive ones at that. More hulls and a non-US combat system may be more palatable. Numbers of hulls vs bigger hulls.

I just don't see how the Baltic would be anything but a NATO bathtub if war ever broke out against Russia.

In this corner:
Denmark
Germany
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Sweden
Finland

In that corner:
Russia

 

[daftandbarmy]

I just don't see how the Baltic would be anything but a NATO bathtub if war ever broke out against Russia.

In this corner:
Denmark
Germany
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Sweden
Finland

In that corner:
Russia

But you can't count them out....

A Brief Naval Overview of the Baltic Sea Region​

The strategic environment in the Baltic Sea region has undergone two key changes since 2022: (1) intensified North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)–Russia tensions due to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine and (2) Finland's and Sweden's accessions to NATO. The region represents one of the largest interfaces between NATO and Russia, and essential civilian commerce and undersea infrastructure in the area are vulnerable to attack by Russia.

In this paper, the authors provide a brief overview of some key aspects of Baltic Sea naval affairs. They evaluate the physical environment of the Baltic Sea, the balance of naval forces within it, and the potential dynamics of the region in the event of conflict. The authors conclude that Russia could achieve some degree of sea denial with respect to the Baltic Sea and other Baltic nations, constraining these nations' ability to use the sea for military and essential commercial purposes.

This contradicts claims by some commentators that the Baltic Sea is "Lake NATO" because almost the entire coastline now belongs to NATO members and because Russia's military forces are being damaged by the ongoing war in Ukraine. Rather, Russia poses considerable threats to the Baltic Sea region, and NATO must avoid complacency and continue efforts to improve its capabilities in the region.

This key finding and subsequent observations should be useful for military commanders and national policymakers as they aim to deter and, if necessary, counter Russian aggression in the Baltic Sea.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2111-1.html

 

[Czech_pivo]

But you can't count them out....

A Brief Naval Overview of the Baltic Sea Region​

The strategic environment in the Baltic Sea region has undergone two key changes since 2022: (1) intensified North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)–Russia tensions due to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine and (2) Finland's and Sweden's accessions to NATO. The region represents one of the largest interfaces between NATO and Russia, and essential civilian commerce and undersea infrastructure in the area are vulnerable to attack by Russia.

In this paper, the authors provide a brief overview of some key aspects of Baltic Sea naval affairs. They evaluate the physical environment of the Baltic Sea, the balance of naval forces within it, and the potential dynamics of the region in the event of conflict. The authors conclude that Russia could achieve some degree of sea denial with respect to the Baltic Sea and other Baltic nations, constraining these nations' ability to use the sea for military and essential commercial purposes.

This contradicts claims by some commentators that the Baltic Sea is "Lake NATO" because almost the entire coastline now belongs to NATO members and because Russia's military forces are being damaged by the ongoing war in Ukraine. Rather, Russia poses considerable threats to the Baltic Sea region, and NATO must avoid complacency and continue efforts to improve its capabilities in the region.

This key finding and subsequent observations should be useful for military commanders and national policymakers as they aim to deter and, if necessary, counter Russian aggression in the Baltic Sea.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2111-1.html

Currently, best known facts, Russia keeps 2 subs active in the Baltic. Even if that number is wrong and they have 8 subs there, those subs are dead and gone inside of a 1 week.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

those subs are dead and gone inside of a 1 week.

After taking out how many NATO warships?

Never sell a submarine short.

 

[Czech_pivo]

After taking out how many NATO warships?

Never sell a submarine short.

Agreed.