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I wasn't happy when he won. I wasn't happy when he politicked to gain a majority.
You know Carney is doing well when Brian Lilley, I repeat, Brian....Lilley....is standing with him.
For clarity, USMCA (CUSMA to us) has that section already. It’s nothing new. What was new was Carney suddenly announcing that he had signed a trade deal with a non-Party to allow Chinese vehicles into the market. Yes, he did that to overcome Chinese tariffs on canola, potash and other goods. But it’s an example of Canada being forced to breach an agreement that was already breached by the USA, to facilitate agricultural and resource trade that was essentially embargoed by China.
Again, all sides in this are outright liars and manipulators. Almost everything Trump does is a violation of USMCA. Almost everything we do to protect our economy from Trump is a violation of USMCA.
The most damaging thing Carney could have done is get into bed with China. And he did that with no hesitation because China manipulated a bad situation between Canada and the USA.
It’s all insane.
Where did I say anywhere that I am on Team America?The country to our south is more involved with China, and is even more fractured along political lines, with environmental regulation between states far more divergent than Canada's policies vs. America's national ones.
I'm also pretty sure that attacking people is the worst way to get them to change... But I'm sure the 9D chess the administration is playing is going to work this time. It's totally not a distraction from their other problems, mostly self-inflicted.
Any Canadian arguing for more American hegemonic control of Canada is walking a very thin line.
Independent decisions that go against their interests, yes. It's called realpolitik.Well apparently the behaviour they wanted to change was our capacity to make independent policy decisions. While that may fill you with glee it doesnt do it for me.
He still has a few to ditch from the Trudeau era that are embarrassing him. Joly is long overdue. Gary A is a political liability. Lena Diab is useless.PMMC might manage to make me a LPC supporter, if he can bring the whole party around to his way of seeing/doing things.
Short & sweet initial response from POTUS47 via the socials - for now, anyway ....
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I gave Trump a chance his first election, he had a rockstar team initially. Then the narcissism and corruption started rearing its head with the competent replaced by yes men.Very interesting. Moose on the Loose (Gasps far right rage baiter) revealed old footage of Premier Doug Ford before he won his 2018 election verbally supporting Donald Trump.
Now, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the Donald.
Its not a good thing or bad thing, my point here is to show that people can reasonably change their views and opinions with new events, information, etc.
Ford isn’t a willow bending in the wind, but he does get credit by many, especially the Ontario electorate where it counts, for updating his policies when he gets clear signals from The People on issues. I’m one of those, one who also has a head scratch or two (green belt construction and ‘bury the 401 in the 905’ amongst them, for me), but generally, I’m good with the cut of Doug’s jib in these political times.Very interesting. Moose on the Loose (Gasps far right rage baiter) revealed old footage of Premier Doug Ford before he won his 2018 election verbally supporting Donald Trump.
Now, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the Donald.
Its not a good thing or bad thing, my point here is to show that people can reasonably change their views and opinions with new events, information, etc.
Not to mention Trump was running against an establishment politician Hillary Clinton who was also viewed by many as corrupt to the core.I gave Trump a chance his first election, he had a rockstar team initially. Then the narcissism and corruption started rearing its head with the competent replaced by yes men.
2018 was still early enough to not have seen everything.
Its very disturbing. It shows the 51st state isnt just Trump bluster.Well apparently the behaviour they wanted to change was our capacity to make independent policy decisions. While that may fill you with glee it doesnt do it for me.
I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”Granted, we will still trade with the United States, but it will be more adversarial vice complementary.
That was the word I was looking for.I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”
Business implies that the parties, having reached an agreement, will respect the agreement.I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”
Let’s see how personally - or not - the other side takes it now.I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”
Gotta be careful with that rationale, though, frank & forthright as it may be. I can hear people way at the other end of the political spectrum using the same argument justifying other countries’ cutting our sovereignty grass, too. Just because someone agreed with the other side fucking one over doesn’t leave the fucked-over party less so.I don't actually like many of our Current Govt's policies anyways so having an outside power shape our Govt towards a different direction is actually beneficial in some ways.
I like that too, but saying a spouse’s cooking skills have improved after their partner abused them over shitty meals doesn’t make the relationship less abusive.It improved the CAFs coffers for instance.
Agreed with much of what you said. I would add my own pointsI think this weekend was the hinge moment that Carney was talking about in Davos. I think a majority of the liberal cabinet thought that they could still negotiate their way into a decent deal with the Trump administration and that Canada would carry on as before with no real changes to the way, we operate internally. But this final slap in the face by Trump and his acolytes has, what I think, shaken the liberal cabinet of its complacency. We will now see if the message has gotten through to the decision makers in this country that we must pour money into infrastructure to avoid having to go through the continental United States. I could see improvements to railroads to Prince Rupert and Churchill, a pipeline to Sarnia that goes north of Lake Superior and other infrastructure projects I haven’t thought about. There will be a greater emphasis on getting our raw and finish products to markets other than the United States. Granted, we will still trade with the United States, but it will be more adversarial vice complementary.
Wait, to clarify, the fucked over (fuckee?) is us or the USA? Hopefully condoms are being used.Just because someone agreed with the other side fucking one over doesn’t leave the fucked-over party less so.