CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Good2Golf]

I’m still wrapping my head around the U.S. mental gymnastics to believe that this is an evil job-stealing Canadian foreign automobile worthy of higher than the majority of other nations on the planet (and the penguins) tariffs…

 

[Furniture]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091218798200107280

You know Carney is doing well when Brian Lilley, I repeat, Brian....Lilley....is standing with him.

I wasn't happy when he won. I wasn't happy when he politicked to gain a majority.

That said, I am glad that he seems to be doing the right thing, for the right reasons as PM.

PMMC might manage to make me a LPC supporter, if he can bring the whole party around to his way of seeing/doing things.

 

[Seyek]

For clarity, USMCA (CUSMA to us) has that section already. It’s nothing new. What was new was Carney suddenly announcing that he had signed a trade deal with a non-Party to allow Chinese vehicles into the market. Yes, he did that to overcome Chinese tariffs on canola, potash and other goods. But it’s an example of Canada being forced to breach an agreement that was already breached by the USA, to facilitate agricultural and resource trade that was essentially embargoed by China.

Again, all sides in this are outright liars and manipulators. Almost everything Trump does is a violation of USMCA. Almost everything we do to protect our economy from Trump is a violation of USMCA.

The most damaging thing Carney could have done is get into bed with China. And he did that with no hesitation because China manipulated a bad situation between Canada and the USA.

It’s all insane.

We didn't enter a free trade agreement with China. We made a specific targeted deal to revert our tariffs on Chinese vehicles of 100%, implemented alongside the US in late 2024, back to the previous amount of 6.1%, which had been in effect when CUSMA was signed. Nothing was violated, and it was within both the spirit and letter of the agreement.

EDIT: Prior to the 100% tariff, there was also no quota on Chinese vehicle imports. Our CUSMA deal with Trump involved less restriction on Chinese imports than it does now.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Short & sweet initial response from POTUS47 via the socials - for now, anyway ....

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The country to our south is more involved with China, and is even more fractured along political lines, with environmental regulation between states far more divergent than Canada's policies vs. America's national ones.

I'm also pretty sure that attacking people is the worst way to get them to change... But I'm sure the 9D chess the administration is playing is going to work this time. It's totally not a distraction from their other problems, mostly self-inflicted.

Any Canadian arguing for more American hegemonic control of Canada is walking a very thin line.

Where did I say anywhere that I am on Team America?

Also, applying consequences is the best way to shape behaviour. It makes people angry, they will yell and scream but they will do it while cursing you under their breath.

Well apparently the behaviour they wanted to change was our capacity to make independent policy decisions. While that may fill you with glee it doesnt do it for me.

Independent decisions that go against their interests, yes. It's called realpolitik.

It doesn't fill me with glee but I understand what their intentions are. I don't actually like many of our Current Govt's policies anyways so having an outside power shape our Govt towards a different direction is actually beneficial in some ways.

It improved the CAFs coffers for instance.

 

[ArmyRick]

PMMC might manage to make me a LPC supporter, if he can bring the whole party around to his way of seeing/doing things.

He still has a few to ditch from the Trudeau era that are embarrassing him. Joly is long overdue. Gary A is a political liability. Lena Diab is useless.

He needs to grow the competency from the backbenchers (there are a few smart cookies there that can ruin the CPC day if they get up and speak)

However, Carney may lose certain small factions of support. He ditches Joly, he loses more pro palestine supporters.

That being said, Carney should have an easy time cleaning up in the By elections now, Trump's arrogance made that easy.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Short & sweet initial response from POTUS47 via the socials - for now, anyway ....
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The only massive tariffs charged to their great farmers are the very high ones on milk, eggs and chicken if and only if they go over their quota, which they never reach anyway. If that's an irritant to him, then perfect: That's a place to hit right now.

His incoming tariffs are supposed to apply even to some of what is covered by CUSMA. So not abiding by it is fair: lets 50% tariff all US dairy, eggs and poultry products from the first one unit sold. We are all overproducing in country already for those products and can make the difference in a few months max simply by letting the current farmers increase their quota a little (then, they won't be dumping the extra to avoid penalties). The only people that will be hit - a little - are the big Agrobiz that purchase from the farmers at Marketing boards set rate but were "cutting" their production with cheaper US imports to make more profits when selling at or above the minimum set price (which is set to cover all the cost of production from an input at the Canadian farmer's set price.

 

[ArmyRick]

Very interesting. Moose on the Loose (Gasps far right rage baiter) revealed old footage of Premier Doug Ford before he won his 2018 election verbally supporting Donald Trump.

Now, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the Donald.

Its not a good thing or bad thing, my point here is to show that people can reasonably change their views and opinions with new events, information, etc.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Very interesting. Moose on the Loose (Gasps far right rage baiter) revealed old footage of Premier Doug Ford before he won his 2018 election verbally supporting Donald Trump.

Now, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the Donald.

Its not a good thing or bad thing, my point here is to show that people can reasonably change their views and opinions with new events, information, etc.

I gave Trump a chance his first election, he had a rockstar team initially. Then the narcissism and corruption started rearing its head with the competent replaced by yes men.

2018 was still early enough to not have seen everything.

 

[Good2Golf]

Very interesting. Moose on the Loose (Gasps far right rage baiter) revealed old footage of Premier Doug Ford before he won his 2018 election verbally supporting Donald Trump.

Now, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the Donald.

Its not a good thing or bad thing, my point here is to show that people can reasonably change their views and opinions with new events, information, etc.

Ford isn’t a willow bending in the wind, but he does get credit by many, especially the Ontario electorate where it counts, for updating his policies when he gets clear signals from The People on issues. I’m one of those, one who also has a head scratch or two (green belt construction and ‘bury the 401 in the 905’ amongst them, for me), but generally, I’m good with the cut of Doug’s jib in these political times.

 

[ArmyRick]

I gave Trump a chance his first election, he had a rockstar team initially. Then the narcissism and corruption started rearing its head with the competent replaced by yes men.

2018 was still early enough to not have seen everything.

Not to mention Trump was running against an establishment politician Hillary Clinton who was also viewed by many as corrupt to the core.

Different times, different reasons to vote.

Trump wins in 2024 because Biden was brain fried and kamala was just not a viable option for many.

 

[PrairieFella]

Well apparently the behaviour they wanted to change was our capacity to make independent policy decisions. While that may fill you with glee it doesnt do it for me.

Its very disturbing. It shows the 51st state isnt just Trump bluster.

 

[FSTO]

I think this weekend was the hinge moment that Carney was talking about in Davos. I think a majority of the liberal cabinet thought that they could still negotiate their way into a decent deal with the Trump administration and that Canada would carry on as before with no real changes to the way, we operate internally. But this final slap in the face by Trump and his acolytes has, what I think, shaken the liberal cabinet of its complacency. We will now see if the message has gotten through to the decision makers in this country that we must pour money into infrastructure to avoid having to go through the continental United States. I could see improvements to railroads to Prince Rupert and Churchill, a pipeline to Sarnia that goes north of Lake Superior and other infrastructure projects I haven’t thought about. There will be a greater emphasis on getting our raw and finish products to markets other than the United States. Granted, we will still trade with the United States, but it will be more adversarial vice complementary.

 

[Good2Golf]

Granted, we will still trade with the United States, but it will be more adversarial vice complementary.

I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”

 

[FSTO]

I’d call it transactional, not necessarily adversarial. As many business types are fans of saying, “it’s not personal, it’s just business…”

That was the word I was looking for.