Army Reserve Restructuring

[SeaKingTacco]

Wow that escalated.
How about we take a step back and look at examples outside of the lines and see how things can be done. Or keep the same lines and go roudn in circles.
But hey how's that security going on your base? Locke the doors set the alarm and go home for the night.

Like I said earlier- you are clearly the expert. I defer to your wisdom.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Simple solution you harden those sections. Like a ciadt
That's fairly easily deal with you harden tho
Simple answer , harden the sensitive areas.
Think inner Citadel. And it's not actually either that hard or not that expensive.

What you are describing is called “zoning”. It exists and depending on the age and design of the building can be really expensive to retrofit.

 

[PrairieFella]

Or - we just build purpose built infrastructure. Fuck working in a sears, why dont we just build functional armouries like we did 120 years ago?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Or - we just build purpose built infrastructure. Fuck working in a sears, why dont we just build functional armouries like we did 120 years ago?

Because we need like 100 or so new ones to replace the 100 or so armouries that are no longer fit for purpose?

That is an immense amount of money and time.

 

[PrairieFella]

Because we need like 100 or so new ones to replace the 100 or so armouries that are no longer fit for purpose?

That is an immense amount of money and time.

They can be co-located on bases, rationalized and consolidated. Instead of two armouries, Winnipeg could probably make do with one larger armoury somewhere on the 17 Wing footprint instead as an example. Its a worthwhile endeavour if this network of armouries is supposed to be the backbone of our homeland defence, unless of course thats lip service and the ResF will continue to be underfunded, underequipped and used for generating onesies and twosies. We cant have it both ways, either homeland defence is important or its not.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Because we need like 100 or so new ones to replace the 100 or so armouries that are no longer fit for purpose?

That is an immense amount of money and time.

Sounds like it could be consider a... Major project

 

[Gordon Dundas/]

They can be co-located on bases, rationalized and consolidated. Instead of two armouries, Winnipeg could probably make do with one larger armoury somewhere on the 17 Wing footprint instead as an example. Its a worthwhile endeavour if this network of armouries is supposed to be the backbone of our homeland defence, unless of course thats lip service and the ResF will continue to be underfunded, underequipped and used for generating onesies and twosies. We cant have it both ways, either homeland defence is important or its not.

It's not and it never was and besides that what's we have the Amer......Oh wait .....
Oops.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

They can be co-located on bases, rationalized and consolidated. Instead of two armouries, Winnipeg could probably make do with one larger armoury somewhere on the 17 Wing footprint instead as an example. Its a worthwhile endeavour if this network of armouries is supposed to be the backbone of our homeland defence, unless of course thats lip service and the ResF will continue to be underfunded, underequipped and used for generating onesies and twosies. We cant have it both ways, either homeland defence is important or its not.

Yes and no.

Many bases, if they even exist in major cities are not well served by transit or are poorly located.

Take Edmonton- how would a 19 year old reservist without a car living in the south part of Edmonton reasonable get to and from Namao on a parade night?

Would you relocate the armoury in Brandon to Shilo?

What do you intend to do with Cities without bases, which is the vast majority?

I agree that in some cases, consolidating 3-4 one unit armouries into a super armoury might make sense. OTOH, we have lots of areas of Canada that have experienced rapid population growth and probably need a brand new reserve footprint to tap that demographic.

What I saying is that there is no one solution.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yes and no.

Many bases, if they even exist in major cities are not well served by transit or are poorly located.

Take Edmonton- how would a 19 year old reservist without a car living in the south part of Edmonton reasonable get to and from Namao on a parade night?

Would you relocate the armoury in Brandon to Shilo?

What do you intend to do with Cities without bases, which is the vast majority?

I agree that in some cases, consolidating 3-4 one unit armouries into a super armoury might make sense. OTOH, we have lots of areas of Canada that have experienced rapid population growth and probably need a brand new reserve footprint to tap that demographic.

What I saying is that there is no one solution.

We had a TCV do pickup and drop off, at designated RV like a mall parking lot, for troops from outlying communities at one point.

But yeah, not optimal given the time constraints of your average reservist.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

But just look at Montreal, and I am sure most large cities are the same: 12 different Ares units, 9 of which are located in seven armouries located within a six Km circle around downtown - where I suspect most of their members don't live.

How about two super armouries on the island (East end and West end, then, to benefit from the large suburbs, one super armoury on the South shore and one super armoury in Laval (I think they may already have that one - but could be wrong.)

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . . come up with a out of the box solution . . .

For most physical security requirements it is an "in the box" solution. If it's an already existing structure (a box) then the solution is usually to build another, more secure, box within that box. The physically restricted infrastructure of a secure network essentially ceases, like Elvis, once it leaves the building. An example of an organization that regularly operates from "malls" and has a need of both secure physical space and secure networks is a bank. While the threat is not the same as would be expected against a military organization, the likelihood of someone attempting to physically breach a bank's security may be higher. The only limitation on providing a secure space for a military unit in an existing structure is money.

 

[MilEME09]

100+ buildings need to be replaced, lets just ball park 50 million min for each for land and construction. Thats a spicy bill

 

[PrairieFella]

100+ buildings need to be replaced, lets just ball park 50 million min for each for land and construction. Thats a spicy bill

They dont all need to be relocated. Can an older armoury still be situable for a light infantry coy/bn? Probably with some retrofits. Are they situable for service bns? Probably not, so build a purpose built facility. Im sure that 100 armoury list becomes 25-30 needing outright replacement with well-audited reviews of who needs what and where

 

[daftandbarmy]

They dont all need to be relocated. Can an older armoury still be situable for a light infantry coy/bn? Probably with some retrofits. Are they situable for service bns? Probably not, so build a purpose built facility. Im sure that 100 armoury list becomes 25-30 needing outright replacement with well-audited reviews of who needs what and where

That would be a great project for a brand new 2 Div, wouldn't it

 

[dapaterson]

But just look at Montreal, and I am sure most large cities are the same: 12 different Ares units, 9 of which are located in seven armouries located within a six Km circle around downtown - where I suspect most of their members don't live.

How about two super armouries on the island (East end and West end, then, to benefit from the large suburbs, one super armoury on the South shore and one super armoury in Laval (I think they may already have that one - but could be wrong.)

Montreal has a functional transit system, so some central locations isn't a dealbreaker. The lack of a presence on the West Island is admittedly a problem.

(And the less we say about the uneconomical, non-functional armouries absorbing nine figures in renovations in Sherbrooke the better).

 

[PrairieFella]

That would be a great project for a brand new 2 Div, wouldn't it

Exactly. Sounds like a great job for some bright, young staff officer looking to make a splash in the defence of the homeland.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Exactly. Sounds like a great job for some bright, young staff officer looking to make a splash in the defence of the homeland.