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And weapons draw... and return...
Army Reserve Restructuring
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And weapons draw... and return...
Double that, at least. The Voltigeurs de Quebec Armoury project was $104 million, and the land didn’t need to be acquired.
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Going back to the mists of time at Mewata most of those showing up arrived around 6 PM and left around 11 or 12.
Weapons were seldom drawn on week nights. Classes ran from 7 PM to 9 PM. BOR and stores stayed open longer.
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I think you may be remembering more nostalgia than reality.
That’s 2hrs
The ARNG do virtually nothing on weeknights.
They use training days on weekends, or blocks of active duty.
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There was a third hour of admin and preps for the weekend.
Are you suggesting doing two weekends a month as opposed to one weekend and parade nights like some remote regiments do it?
That is good in theory, but there are a number of issues with it. First of all, this isn't as bad as it used to be, but the assumption that the reserves still seems to have that everyone works a Monday to Friday 9-5 job, which is very much untrue. It also comes down to there being a finite number of weekends in the training year. Once you take away 8-10 weekend ex's, Remembrance Day and other random tasks that units have to send people to, you don't have that many weekends left. Plus throw in holidays.
It's already bad enough for the people working weekend courses that depending if they fall on different weekends from unit ex's and their civilian employment, they could end up working for a couple months straight without a day off. Add two nights a week in there and you wonder why we lose so many people in the MCpl to Sgt range.
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I’m suggesting that the evening ‘training’ nights are just a waste of time for anything but social interaction.
The goal of the PRes should be to have effective units, not provide people with a weekly drinking club. Right now the CA doesn’t get its money out of the vast majority of reservists, and hasn’t for years.
Summer block training should be a mandatory 3 weeks.
Of course that would need job protection legislation.
Additionally there should be much easier ways for reservists to take reg force courses, as well as employ reservists with Reg units if the individual reservists have time to dedicate.
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What does the US do with its equivalent to our ARes ?
Do they do the whole 1 evening a week, 1 weekend a month thing ?
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Weekends. One weekend a month is double the training time of four parade nights at the same cost to the army and less transit time for the member. Ack your concerns about courses essentially being every weekend but how is that different from now? What is a viable solution?
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Good thing my unit doesnt have a mess, cant be a drinking club without a bar. Speaking for my own unit, once IBTS is done, wednesday night and weekends is pure trades training. Vehicle techs turn wrenches, wpns does vault inspections or pending repairs. MSE might go on a road move, cooks meal plan etc
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The closest affiliate would be the ARNG.
Which runs a 1 weekend/month (Friday evening to Sunday evening) and 2 weeks a year schedule.
Basically 39 days a year
Edit: Some units are now on a 64 day / year - but this appears to be a voluntary aspect (folks choosing to move into a higher readiness unit).
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Over the years I've seen both systems tried.
YMMV but because our main source of troops (70% or so) comes from students, a famously shiftless lot, the 'weekends only' approach was definitely sub-standard IMHO.
Keeping in touch with as many troops as possible, on a weekly basis, was a far more effective way of keeping them engaged during probably one of the most personally disruptive phases of their lives.
A monthly schedule means that if a solider misses the once per month training event, for whatever reason, you might not see them for two months or more. And then they just start to drift away and go NES.
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I think we come back to the compelled to train / voluntary training issue in our monthly reserves restructure debate, and thats the crux of it. If the reserves is a "show up if so inclined so a period that suits you" approach then im not sure serious reform is actually worth it.
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Do we need weekly or monthly training?
Why not just send people on courses until they hit OFP then afterwards courses become optional.
Have 1 month mandatory training in the summer, time guaranteed off. Before the month they have DLN courses to take during the year to deal with most the lessons.
Then for the month have it broken up something like a week of classroom time for the lessons/refreshers that need to be done in person, a week of practicing the trade/fieldcraft/range qual, etc. then two week exercise at the end.
This could be largely decentralized not requiring a geographically based unit only needing a internet connection. Reduced costs because you can centralize equipment as the troops will come to it, plus you no longer need armouries across the country as you would no longer require a geographical unit to be the ‘home’.
Likely end up with better trained more cohesive units this way than our current spread out maybe show up method. Imagine actually leading full strength reserve units in the field instead of a section to platoon showing up.
Why not just send people on courses until they hit OFP then afterwards courses become optional.
Have 1 month mandatory training in the summer, time guaranteed off. Before the month they have DLN courses to take during the year to deal with most the lessons.
Then for the month have it broken up something like a week of classroom time for the lessons/refreshers that need to be done in person, a week of practicing the trade/fieldcraft/range qual, etc. then two week exercise at the end.
This could be largely decentralized not requiring a geographically based unit only needing a internet connection. Reduced costs because you can centralize equipment as the troops will come to it, plus you no longer need armouries across the country as you would no longer require a geographical unit to be the ‘home’.
Likely end up with better trained more cohesive units this way than our current spread out maybe show up method. Imagine actually leading full strength reserve units in the field instead of a section to platoon showing up.
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That is the crux. According to the Army G1 shop we have 22,570 reservists of which only 10,325 are trained effective strength. That's only 45%. The problem I see is no one wants to enforce a trg standard because the numbers will drop. A high non-trained number total is better then a low trained total one.
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