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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2019, 12:20:09 »
That's because the CPC tax plan isn't designed to give "relief" to low income families (who already pay less in total tax dollars and less in marginal tax rates than anyone else). The goal is to incentives for businesses to hire more workers, with higher pay rates due to lower corporate and payroll tax rates. Cutting the taxes of the sub $40K per year family income folks does nothing, getting them a $20K raise or more opportunities for better jobs is altogether way better for the economy.

You don't increase GDP by taxing the middle class more. You increase it by pushing up wages and decreasing the amount of people in the lowest tax bracket because they're going to spend all that money on houses, cars, items for their kids, etc.

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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2019, 12:37:59 »
That's because the CPC tax plan isn't designed to give "relief" to low income families (who already pay less in total tax dollars and less in marginal tax rates than anyone else). The goal is to incentives for businesses to hire more workers, with higher pay rates due to lower corporate and payroll tax rates. Cutting the taxes of the sub $40K per year family income folks does nothing, getting them a $20K raise or more opportunities for better jobs is altogether way better for the economy.

You don't increase GDP by taxing the middle class more. You increase it by pushing up wages and decreasing the amount of people in the lowest tax bracket because they're going to spend all that money on houses, cars, items for their kids, etc.

Absolutely- I agree almost fully, and I'm good with that. I'm not debating the merits of the respective tax plans, I'm just discussing the CPC's painfully shrill reaction to a soundbyte that, in proper context, was found by qualified analysis to be pretty accurate. But really this whole thing has done a nice job of highlighting how petty and largely pointless Question Period has been allowed to become...
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2019, 12:56:25 »
Absolutely- I agree almost fully, and I'm good with that. I'm not debating the merits of the respective tax plans, I'm just discussing the CPC's painfully shrill reaction to a soundbyte that, in proper context, was found by qualified analysis to be pretty accurate. But really this whole thing has done a nice job of highlighting how petty and largely pointless Question Period has been allowed to become...

And it became pointless right after the election, when it became obvious, that the grit caucus wasn't going to answer any questions properly or even address the issues being questioned. Their vain, amateur attempts at conjuring the responses of the Velvet Fog have failed them miserably. It is the grits that have made a mockery of the House with their evasiveness.

But that's likely Harper's fault. 8)

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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2019, 13:14:34 »
But really this whole thing has done a nice job of highlighting how petty and largely pointless Question Period has been allowed to become...

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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2019, 13:15:40 »
And it became pointless right after the election, when it became obvious, that the grit caucus wasn't going to answer any questions properly or even address the issues being questioned. Their vain, amateur attempts at conjuring the responses of the Velvet Fog have failed them miserably. It is the grits that have made a mockery of the House with their evasiveness.

But that's likely Harper's fault. 8)

Question Period has been a farce since long before this government. That's hardly unique to the Liberals. It was just as much of a joke under the CPC and will be again if they get re-elected.

Nothing about QP puts any onus on anyone to make constructive use of the time... The entire endeavour seems to be about attempting to get exactly this sort of 'gotcha' sound byte out of the other guys. Sure as hell nothing meaningful towards legislation or policy is happening in there- by anyone.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2019, 14:43:47 »
OK, so we're talking about two different things or seeing things in two different contexts.  I'm looking at the issues in the context of Trudeau's long-standing theme of "millionaire families", by which I assume he means those capable of very conspicuous consumption (executive-style homes, luxury autos, high-end liquor and entertainments, etc), because "millionaire" in 2019 isn't the same as "millionaire" in 1979 if all we mean is "net worth".

If the TFSA discussion wasn't a response to my somewhat rhetorical challenge to identify a tax break aimed at millionaire families, then I understand what you meant differently.

Trudeau's responses were a pretty stereotypical sequence - start with the big lie/misrepresentation (about breaks for millionaire families) that is meant to be the sound bite people will remember (critical of Conservatives, of course), then walk it back to a very limited factual claim (specific reference to non-refundable credits, which he could have walked back one step further with a direct reference to the fitness/arts credits, given a chance) which the "fact-checkers" can leverage to report the claim as "mostly/wholly true", which is then (unfortunately) misreported/conflated with the original claim to give it verisimilitude.  It's a popular technique.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2019, 14:47:44 »
>the grit caucus wasn't going to answer any questions properly

Neither did the Conservatives.  I was never satisfied with their QP behaviour.  As I noted in previous post, QP is primarily used as an opportunity to get sound bites out.  An incurious or partisan person isn't going to make it very clear when "informing" others that point X was basically bull, and point Y was factually correct.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2019, 14:23:42 »
Gerald Butts Resigns PMO position

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-s-principal-secretary-gerald-butts-resigns-1.4301856#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=mHavDaI

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OTTAWA -- Gerald Butts, Justin Trudeau's principal secretary and long-time friend, has resigned amid allegations that the Prime Minister's Office interfered to prevent a criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin.

In a statement, Butts unequivocally denies the accusation that he or anyone else in the office improperly pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help the Montreal engineering giant avoid a criminal case on corruption and bribery charges related to government contracts in Libya.

Nevertheless, Butts says the allegation is distracting from the "vital work" Trudeau is doing so it's in the best interests of the Prime Minister's Office for him to step aside.

"I categorically deny the accusation that I or anyone else in his office pressured Ms. Wilson-Raybould ... At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians," he says.

"Any accusation that I or the staff put pressure on the attorney general is simply not true ... But the fact is that this accusation exists. It cannot and should not take one moment away from the vital work the prime minister and his office is doing for all Canadians.

"My reputation is my responsibility and that is for me to defend. It is in the best interests of the office and its important work for me to step away."

Wilson-Raybould resigned from Trudeau's cabinet last week. She has not explained why and she has not commented on the allegation, levelled by anonymous sources in a Globe and Mail story 10 days ago, that she was improperly pressured, citing solicitor-client privilege. She has hired a former Supreme Court justice to advise her on what she may legally say.

Butts is one of several top Trudeau aides the opposition parties had wanted to call before the House of Commons justice committee to testify on what happened. Liberal MPs on the committee last week used their majority to limit the scope of the committee's inquiry.

Butts has confirmed that Wilson-Raybould briefly raised the matter of SNC-Lavalin during a meeting in December; he advised her to speak with the clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick.

In his statement, Butts writes positively of his relationship with Wilson-Raybould.

"I encouraged her to run for the Liberal Party of Canada and worked hard to support her as a candidate and then cabinet minister. From my perspective, our relationship has always been defined by mutual respect, candour and an honest desire to work together."

Butts says he's served Trudeau "to the best of my abilities and I have at all times given the prime minister free and unfettered advice.

"I have served the public interest, not the interests of any individual or any narrow private interest of any kind, at any time. Life is full of uncertainties but I am absolutely certain of that."


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Good riddance. However, I don't think we've seen the last of him. He'll likely still have a great deal of influence. This looks like a move to position him from scrutiny while he continues his policies. Or maybe he'll jump on board with Dalton Gore-McGuinty.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2019, 14:27:42 »
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2019, 14:42:01 »
Like a loyal samurai falling in his sword.

Romans fell on their swords.  Samurai sliced their stomachs open from left to right.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2019, 14:42:08 »
Pending: A real he said, she said. Who would you believe when testifying under oath?
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2019, 14:47:54 »
Pending: A real he said, she said. Who would you believe when testifying under oath?

I'll take what's in the box Monty.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2019, 14:48:56 »
Three sides to every story.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2019, 15:04:38 »
Pending: A real he said, she said. Who would you believe when testifying under oath?


I'd say that's a given. Between these two, JWR has always seemed a straight shooter and I don't know her that well. Butts however, has all those years killing Ontario and lying about it to bolster his profile.
A proven record, if you will, against speculation.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2019, 15:07:48 »
Anybody else starting to think that Robert Fife has some sort of superpower to take down governments?
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2019, 15:11:00 »
Butts is possibly just getting ahead of a JWR statement to be delivered to the public very shortly.

https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,129826.msg1562379/topicseen.html#new   Are these the ‘answers’ of a Prime Minister who’s done nothing wrong?


JWR may be the only person in the Liberal Gov't, including NDHQ, who took notes during/post meetings. ;D
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2019, 15:18:01 »
I'm waiting for the PM to stand up and start answering his own questions, instead of what Butts dictates to him. Given his gaffes from written instructions, it should be pretty comical watching him try handle things with his own brain, off the cuff. Mind, Telford is still around and Butts has been taking her heat. Now the scope gets trained on her, directly, for a change.

There's little doubt in my mind, Butts will still have the strings, unofficially or not.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2019, 15:47:13 »
I wonder to which country he will be named ambassador.

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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2019, 16:00:17 »
I wonder to which country he will be named ambassador.

Narnia.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2019, 16:04:06 »
Pending: Gerald Butts to be named as Canada's new Ambassador to China. ;D

Is that far enough away to make testifying difficult? There is a vacancy for this post.

This is all Scott Brison's fault for resigning.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2019, 17:28:24 »
Let send him to Cuba, so the aliens can fry his brain as well.

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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2019, 17:32:54 »
Venezuela?
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2019, 17:42:17 »
Butts operates with NVGs. Public light to him is like sunlight to a vampire. He'll continue operating behind the scenes, just not in an official capacity as the PMs secretary. This gives him free reign to play with the election. This guy is not going to go quietly into the good night.


 Just idle speculation.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2019, 17:45:31 »
I wonder to which country he will be named ambassador.
Afghanistan I hope.
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Re: The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2019, 19:33:17 »
Anybody else starting to think that Robert Fife has some sort of superpower to take down governments?
Not bad for a member of what some consider the fake news, bought by Liberal bribe money MSM ;)

Pending: Gerald Butts to be named as Canada's new Ambassador to China.
Interesting tidbit -- any links for that?  I'm not seeing it yet @ the "usual suspect" sites.  Thx!

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