Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

I think you're misreading it- Trudeau and his brand became toxic because of the legitimate scandals (not the flyshit from pepper ones), because of QoL dropping, because of housing prices. He (rightfully) wore and became the face of the difficulty of the times.

Carney's CV gives him a reprieve from that negative sentiment, based on the promise that a competent financial mind can make things better. If he doesn't- he will wear the difficulty of the times as well. If he doesn't, the CPC need to be running an alternative that isn't so viscerally unlikeable as to create an unprecedented strategic vote against him/her. Maybe that will be a version of Poilievre that comes out of this loss a better prospective leader.

I think people are expecting big things and life cheapening policies from MC. Others expectations can be a a son-of-a-bitch.

 

[ModlrMike]

Carney's CV gives him a reprieve from that negative sentiment, based on the promise that a competent financial mind can make things better. If he doesn't- he will wear the difficulty of the times as well. If he doesn't, the CPC need to be running an alternative that isn't so viscerally unlikeable as to create an unprecedented strategic vote against him/her. Maybe that will be a version of Poilievre that comes out of this loss a better prospective leader.

I would suggest that his CV gives him the opportunity to govern from a more blue perspective than red. The primary risk for him is going too green in his policies so that in the end, the resource development we so desperately need stagnates under increased regulation.

 

[McG]

Carney is promising even bigger spending and much bolder projects with no experience in the political realm ...

Political experience is about winning elections, preformative antics in the House of Commons, making everything a wedge in the forever campaign, ...

Maybe one of Canada's problems has been too many recent political leaders with more experience in the political realm than in the world of running programs and projects.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Might be that after a decade of Trudeau and in light of world events, Liberals, or those who may at times vote that way, may not look at this the same way they did back then?

Could be.

Looks to me like Canadians just voted the same party in for the 4th time, just with a still wet 'Under new management' sign.

The current sorry state of Canada isn't solely on Trudeaus shoulders; his MPs supported him time and time again. And they're still in office.

I think you're misreading it- Trudeau and his brand became toxic because of the legitimate scandals (not the flyshit from pepper ones), because of QoL dropping, because of housing prices. He (rightfully) wore and became the face of the difficulty of the times.

I don't see that at all. Liberals supported him through hell and high water. Scandals didn't affect his polling one bit. There was a lot of "yeah but conservatives" everything about story hit the news.

Carney's CV gives him a reprieve from that negative sentiment, based on the promise that a competent financial mind can make things better.

Experience and education doesn't guarantee benevolent behavior. Its just as possible he uses his copious experience helping Brookfield navigate legal loopholes against Canadians interests, or to set himself up after being PM.

I suspect we're going to see Brookfield front and center in a lot of Canada's restructuring.
Conservatives will say see we told you so.
Liberals Will say yeah but Brookfield is a big company.

If he doesn't, the CPC need to be running an alternative that isn't so viscerally unlikeable

Children's cough medicine comes in fun flavors for a reason.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I think people are expecting big things and life cheapening policies from MC. Others expectations can be a a son-of-a-bitch.

To me his shortterm popularity and staying power will hinge on two things - housing and stability. Stability in the form of navigating the US spat and DJT with the least amount of harm to Canada. Housing as the single biggest item driving QoL/CoL issues in the country. If he can get quick (in the relative sense) wins there, he's going to get the time go into the more complex and lengthy beast of implementing his vision for the economy.

 

[Remius]

Could be.

Looks to me like Canadians just voted the same party in for the 4th time, just with a still wet 'Under new management' sign.

Same party? Yes. Different leader. And if anything these past months and years have been about the leader. This past election was about what leader was perceived as best to navigate the current climate.

The current sorry state of Canada isn't solely on Trudeaus shoulders; his MPs supported him time and time again. And they're still in office.

That message only started a few weeks ago. Until then it was Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau and the buck stops with him.

I don't see that at all. Liberals supported him through hell and high water. Scandals didn't affect his polling one bit. There was a lot of "yeah but conservatives" everything about story hit the news.

Except Canadians were tired of Trudeau so much so that they were facing oblivion. And what the opposition tried to make into scandals wasn’t very relatable to the average Canadian. Some sure but not all. Plus when you blame the guy for everything all the time it turns into white noise.

Experience and education doesn't guarantee benevolent behavior. Its just as possible he uses his copious experience helping Brookfield navigate legal loopholes against Canadians interests, or to set himself up after being PM.

That’s the message Jenni Byrne was trying to get out and to try and assassinante his character.

I suspect we're going to see Brookfield front and center in a lot of Canada's restructuring.
Conservatives will say see we told you so.
Liberals Will say yeah but Brookfield is a big company.

I always find it sad when we lament Canadian success stories like Brookfield.

Children's cough medicine comes in fun flavors for a reason.

And most of it is snake oil anyways.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I would suggest that his CV gives him the opportunity to govern from a more blue perspective than red. The primary risk for him is going too green in his policies so that in the end, the resource development we so desperately need stagnates under increased regulation.

IF Carney can get a pipeline or two approved, shovels in the ground, get an expanded CAF with proper funding along with new CAF facilities/housing/pay raise, get inter-provincial trade barriers to fall away and lastly, a big one, get new housing being built on track - it will be tough to get him out before the next mandate is due.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Same party? Yes. Different leader. And if anything these past months and years have been about the leader. This past election was about what leader was perceived as best to navigate the current climate.

That message only started a few weeks ago. Until then it was Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau and the buck stops with him.

Except Canadians were tired of Trudeau so much so that they were facing oblivion. And what the opposition tried to make into scandals wasn’t very relatable to the average Canadian. Some sure but not all. Plus when you blame the guy for everything all the time it turns into white noise.

That’s the message Jenni Byrne was trying to get out and to try and assassinante his character.

I always find it sad when we lament Canadian success stories like Brookfield.

And most of it is snake oil anyways.

spot on about Brookfield - Tall Poppy Syndrome here in Canada - its about finishing in 4th place, never on the podium here in Canada. Bush league stuff and the a main reason why we have taken the easy route over the last 70yrs in terms of selling to the US instead of developing extensively trading relations with other parts of the world.

 

[IKnowNothing]

That’s the message Jenni Byrne was trying to get out and to try and assassinante his character.

Which is incredibly ironic- especially given Poilievre's comments about holding lobbyists in such disdain.

Not a website I frequent, but came up when I was searching to find any post election commentary about her future in the party.

Pierre Poilievre’s Top Advisor, Jenni Byrne, is a Major Corporate Power Broker

A closer look at Byrne’s extensive corporate lobbying activity reveals billion-dollar corporations and ethical concerns

pressprogress.ca

 

[brihard]

Could be.

Looks to me like Canadians just voted the same party in for the 4th time, just with a still wet 'Under new management' sign.

The current sorry state of Canada isn't solely on Trudeaus shoulders; his MPs supported him time and time again. And they're still in office.


I don't see that at all. Liberals supported him through hell and high water. Scandals didn't affect his polling one bit. There was a lot of "yeah but conservatives" everything about story hit the news.


Experience and education doesn't guarantee benevolent behavior. Its just as possible he uses his copious experience helping Brookfield navigate legal loopholes against Canadians interests, or to set himself up after being PM.

I suspect we're going to see Brookfield front and center in a lot of Canada's restructuring.
Conservatives will say see we told you so.
Liberals Will say yeah but Brookfield is a big company.

Children's cough medicine comes in fun flavors for a reason.

Poilievre put a lot of work into making the LPC and their government all about Trudeau. It was central to his messaging. There has been much lamenting too in recent years of how much power has amassed in the PMO, and how Trudeau threw cabinet members under the bus. That messaging may have been too succesful for the CPC’s own good. It’s tough for them to spend a lot of time and effort making it all about Trudeau and then suddenly try to pivot to actually it wasn’t. In any case, Carney’s now at bat and we’ll see if he’s any good.

We want him to do well, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

We want him to do well, right?

I would say yes, but my version of good may not be the same as yours.

 

[brihard]

I would say yes, but my version of good may not be the same as yours.

I’m sure it’s not identical, but I bet practically all of us here would have about 80% overlap for what ‘PM doing well’ looks like.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Same party? Yes. Different leader. And if anything these past months and years have been about the leader.

Not in my book. MPs supported Trudeau lockstep through everything with their nothing to see here mantra every time he, or one of them, got caught.
MP votes are needed in Parliament to pass bills, which Trudeau got.

Except Canadians were tired of Trudeau so much so that they were facing oblivion. And what the opposition tried to make into scandals wasn’t very relatable to the average Canadian. Some sure but not all. Plus when you blame the guy for everything all the time it turns into white noise.

You hit the nail on the head here. Canadians generally didn't care about the scandals because they weren't impacted and it wasn't related to them.
$45678909876.00 gets wasted on who knows what? Who cares, what even is that number? I'm sure someone benefitted so that must be good.

I always find it sad when we lament Canadian success stories like Brookfield.

Or GC Strategies. I suppose it was nice Canadian company Brookfield was able to help a Canadian citizen buy Twitter.

But that's not the point. I'm guessing you don't see any conflict of interest behind the Carney government awarding Brookfield contracts as long as Carney isn't signing the dotted line approving it?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Poilievre put a lot of work into making the LPC and their government all about Trudeau. It was central to his messaging. There has been much lamenting too in recent years of how much power has amassed in the PMO, and how Trudeau threw cabinet members under the bus. That messaging may have been too succesful for the CPC’s own good. It’s tough for them to spend a lot of time and effort making it all about Trudeau and then suddenly try to pivot to actually it wasn’t. In any case, Carney’s now at bat and we’ll see if he’s any good.

We want him to do well, right?

Yeah you're right. Dumb move by Poilievre. Now all those "but I didn't know any better<smile>" MP's get another 4 years employment.

 

[QV]

I’m sure it’s not identical, but I bet practically all of us here would have about 80% overlap for what ‘PM doing well’ looks like.

The problem for many is Carney's past support and position on all the things Trudeau was doing. Only the message during the election campaign was different. All the players are the same now as then.

We'll see if Carney does what he has now said, vs what history suggests me may do.

If Carney pivots from his past stance - I'm stuck between two thoughts:

- Carney recognized his party's policy (that he was behind) were bad and he is changing and now doing good! A big improvement!
vs
- Carney's instincts were terrible, remain terrible, and he pivoted to get and retain power and we'll see a creep back to bad policy. His inner circle suggests this to be accurate.

Only time will tell. I didn't want to take the chance, but enough voters apparently did.

 

[brihard]

The problem for many is Carney's past support and position on all the things Trudeau was doing. Only the message during the election campaign was different. All the players are the same now as then.

We'll see if Carney does what he has now said, vs what history suggests me may do.

If Carney pivots from his past stance - I'm stuck between two thoughts:

- Carney recognized his party's policy (that he was behind) were bad and he is changing and now doing good! A big improvement!
vs
- Carney's instincts were terrible, remain terrible, and he pivoted to get and retain power and we'll see a creep back to bad policy. His inner circle suggests this to be accurate.

Only time will tell. I didn't want to take the chance, but enough voters apparently did.

Completely fair to have skepticism based on past articulated positions, or at least one’s interpretations of them. It’s also one thing for someone to be offering positions and policies from a chair that’s not at the head of the table. Advisors offer advice within their portfolio, from where they sit. Once you’re in the big chair, you have many other things to consider.

And, as they teach us in battle procedure, one must ask: “has the situation changed”? I think Carney recognizes at least to some extent that it has.

We’ll have a speech from the throne in three weeks, and a budget likely soon after. From those we’ll get a sense about what Carney’s policy priorities actually are. In that same time he’ll also be working the U.S. problem.

I figure by maybe late June as Parliament approaches the summer recess we’ll be in a position to have a good initial feel for where he wants to take things.

 

[dapaterson]

I figure by maybe late June as Parliament approaches the summer recess we’ll be in a position to have a good initial feel for where he wants to take things.

There are mutterings that the summer recess may be abbreviated or abandoned.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The problem for many is Carney's past support and position on all the things Trudeau was doing. Only the message during the election campaign was different. All the players are the same now as then.

100%

We'll see if Carney does what he has now said, vs what history suggests me may do.

If Carney pivots from his past stance - I'm stuck between two thoughts:

- Carney recognized his party's policy (that he was behind) were bad and he is changing and now doing good! A big improvement!
vs
- Carney's instincts were terrible, remain terrible, and he pivoted to get and retain power and we'll see a creep back to bad policy. His inner circle suggests this to be accurate.

Only time will tell. I didn't want to take the chance, but enough voters apparently did.

Besides losing thousands of dollars (or tens of thousands with the status quo) I'm excited about being humbled and proven wrong about Carney. He might have that new perspective, drain the swamp approach I was crossing my fingers Trump had. If Carney changes the political landscape Canada is stagnated with then (almost) everyone wins.

Let's see if his supporters have the integrity to call him out if he falters or just make excuses the next 4 or 8 years.

 

[Remius]

Not in my book. MPs supported Trudeau lockstep through everything with their nothing to see here mantra every time he, or one of them, got caught.
MP votes are needed in Parliament to pass bills, which Trudeau got.

Welcome to party politics and whipped votes. Nothing new there. The CPC did the same thing when voting against an Ukraine trade deal or against the housing accelerator fund that a lot of their members wanted.

You hit the nail on the head here. Canadians generally didn't care about the scandals because they weren't impacted and it wasn't related to them.
$45678909876.00 gets wasted on who knows what? Who cares, what even is that number? I'm sure someone benefitted so that must be good.

Yes. And when the opposition cried wolf so many times it becomes white noise.

Or GC Strategies. I suppose it was nice Canadian company Brookfield was able to help a Canadian citizen buy Twitter.

Carney when he was there was responsible to his shareholders. By all accounts he did a great job. Your pension plan is likely doing great in part to his stewardship at Brookfield.

But that's not the point. I'm guessing you don't see any conflict of interest behind the Carney government awarding Brookfield contracts as long as Carney isn't signing the dotted line approving it?

If it’s done by the rules, why would I? I don’t expect business to stop just because.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Welcome to party politics and whipped votes. Nothing new there. The CPC did the same thing when voting against an Ukraine trade deal or against the housing accelerator fund that a lot of their members wanted.

Yes. And when the opposition cried wolf so many times it becomes white noise.

Carney when he was there was responsible to his shareholders. By all accounts he did a great job. Your pension plan is likely doing great in part to his stewardship at Brookfield.

All good points.

If it’s done by the rules, why would I? I don’t expect business to stop just because.

That's fair. You might also think the rules need to be strengthened, and perhaps more importantly, the scale of punishment increased. What happened in the SNC case? Fuck all. I'm punished more severely for being late to work.