Trump administration 2024-2028

[lenaitch]

4) Go back to the federal government and align First Nation Consultation. Ensure that a single set of referrals is needed for a project...not a referral for the provincial approval and then a separate, independent consultation by the Federal Government with the same groups.

Perhaps in addition, in relation to all matters of FN consultation, particularly as it pertains to 'national building projects, the FN themselves could streamline and align who the government should consult with and seek consent from. There are individual bands, regional assemblies, provincial assemblies and a national assembly, not to mention the conflict between FN and Metis nations. In some cases, there is also conflict between elected councils and 'hereditary' chiefs.

It almost seems designed to be endlessly circular.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Part of the issue is that overall employment per mill has decreased drastically in the last 30 years. Same within the logging front. And trucking front.

When I started my carear a log truck often only hauled 40m3 of wood....now I'm looking at 10 axle B-trains hauling 60m3 summer weight. Two of those trucks = one less driver.

Bunchers and skidders are bigger and more productive...and light years ahead of hand falling.

Sawmills don't even slab off the outer wood...its' chipped off so less handling, higher product return (chipped into pulp sized chips) and all automated log orientation. Lumber grading is now fully automatic. Even lumber stacker and wrapper jobs are automated in some mills.

End result is much lower employment per mill x mill expansion (making them even more sensitive to market conditions) = less votes at risk. Compounded by mostly urban growth changing seat weightings towards cities....

Will note it's a similar story in most Canadian provinces and not unique to BC.

So after the bad news what could be done?
1) change the tenure system from its' current annual dues rate (based upon preceeding years market prices) to a monthly like Alberta. This allows a much more responsive change to market conditions.
2) Bridge weights and infrastructure. Truck loads of all types are increasing but many crossings have not kept pace. This means expensive equipment can't always operate at full capacity depending on the route
3) Re-examine tenure policies around pre-commercial and commercial thinning especially around communities. I will note this comment I could apply to pretty much any province but when you look at European practices on high quality sites they are retrieving a significant amount of smaller diameter wood from these practices and these are a major component of their pulp industry. Generating more from the forest while reducing fuel for fires is a win in my book....but god is it a challenge to do from so many aspects.
4) Go back to the federal government and align First Nation Consultation. Ensure that a single set of referrals is needed for a project...not a referral for the provincial approval and then a separate, independent consultation by the Federal Government with the same groups. DFO I'm looking at you.
5) Clarify First Nation consultation practices between provinces and Federal gov't. Why are there different communities recognized differently between the two levels of Crown?
6) Coordinate with the rail companies to build more loading yards. It's amazing how many BC truck loads I see come to Alberta to be loaded at Edmonton...or Alberta loads I see going to Vancouver...due to loading yard space and rail car availability. Need more cars being loaded closer to mills to reduce overall hauling costs and drop expenses.

Sadly, it's easier for companies to go to the States in many cases than weather the 'perfect storm' here, especially the political uncertainty that will continue since the NDP won the last election:

Clearing Out: BC’s Logging Industry Sets Its Sights on the US​

Facing ecological and political uncertainty at home, some of the province’s largest lumber producers are looking south

Through the spring and summer of 2021, facing ecological, financial, and political complications, some of BC’s largest lumber producers—Canfor, West Fraser, Interfor, Tolko, and Teal Jones—announced the expansion or establishment of sawmills not at home but in the southern United States, to process the yellow pine that grows quickly in the warmer climes of Texas and Louisiana. So far, these out-of-province investments total approximately $6 billion, a major expansion of operations that leaves the future of BC’s timber industry even more uncertain. The province’s companies have decided that this perfect storm is not one they care to weather or remediate. Instead, they are turning away from spearheading a sustainable logging industry in the province, toward calmer and greener pastures abroad.

Clearing Out: BC’s Logging Industry Sets Its Sights on the US | The Walrus

Facing ecological and political uncertainty at home, some of the province’s largest lumber producers are looking south

thewalrus.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

As opposed to all those OTHER law enforcement officers out there who don't have to worry about potential retribution?

Immigration police say they mask to stop retribution. They may be risking trust.

The Trump administration argues that with increased political violence, masks keep law enforcement officers safe. Others say they erode public trust.

www.csmonitor.com

Also archived here if original link doesn't work https://archive.ph/ylYYM

 

[The Bread Guy]

It is interesting that no person here is tracking or mentioning the DNI release of evidence Obama admin fabricated the entire Russia collusion hoax and the referral to DOJ. Brennan, Comey, Clapper, et al might be in serious trouble for these seditious acts. Obama will likely skate free with immunity.

Here ya go & track away -- we'll see what comes out.

Justice Department Announces Formation of Strike Force to Assess Evidence Publicized by ODNI

WASHINGTON – Today, the Department of Justice announced the formation of a Strike Force to assess the evidence publicized by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and investigate potential next legal steps which might stem from DNI Gabbard’s disclosures.

www.justice.gov

New Evidence Uncovers Obama-Directed Creation of False Intelligence Report Used to Launch Years-long Coup to Undermine President Trump and the American People

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www.dni.gov

Obama admin’s ‘treasonous conspiracy’ in Trump-Russia probe referred to DOJ by Tulsi Gabbard

Gabbard made public more than 100 pages of records Friday that show efforts by Obama officials to whip up an alternative assessment about the “boldest yet” Russian influence campaign on…

nypost.com

DOJ forms Russiagate 'strike force' to investigate declassified Obama-era evidence

The Justice Department has formed a "strike force" to assess the evidence publicized by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard relating to former President Barack Obama and his top national security and intelligence officials' alleged involvement in the origins of the Trump–Russia...

www.foxnews.com

Tulsi Gabbard misleads about Obama-era assessment on Russia

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said she found evidence that former President Barack Obama manufactured an intelligence assessment about Russia’s involvement in the 2016 U.S. election. We fact-checked three of her statements.

www.politifact.com

(Report referred to in the DNI info-machine material attached)

Meanwhile, as some would have claimed if Biden had done something similar, "lookit the new shiny thing, everybody!!!!"

But you’re all hypothesizing about Trump being connected to Epstein in some way that is scandalous as if that wouldn’t have already been dragged out into the light these last 10 years.

Well, it WAS DJT who was saying all along that the Epstein stuff had to be released, right? And suggesting it was a massive cover-up of gigantic proportions? Or did I mishear/misread him all this time?

 

[foresterab]

Sadly, it's easier for companies to go to the States in many cases than weather the 'perfect storm' here, especially the political uncertainty that will continue since the NDP won the last election:

Clearing Out: BC’s Logging Industry Sets Its Sights on the US​

Facing ecological and political uncertainty at home, some of the province’s largest lumber producers are looking south

Through the spring and summer of 2021, facing ecological, financial, and political complications, some of BC’s largest lumber producers—Canfor, West Fraser, Interfor, Tolko, and Teal Jones—announced the expansion or establishment of sawmills not at home but in the southern United States, to process the yellow pine that grows quickly in the warmer climes of Texas and Louisiana. So far, these out-of-province investments total approximately $6 billion, a major expansion of operations that leaves the future of BC’s timber industry even more uncertain. The province’s companies have decided that this perfect storm is not one they care to weather or remediate. Instead, they are turning away from spearheading a sustainable logging industry in the province, toward calmer and greener pastures abroad.

Clearing Out: BC’s Logging Industry Sets Its Sights on the US | The Walrus

Facing ecological and political uncertainty at home, some of the province’s largest lumber producers are looking south

thewalrus.ca

As I understand it the biggest employment scheme under the US Civilian Conservation Corps during the great depression was tree planting. Mostly in the SE states due to cotton and tobacco fields lacking nutrients and unable to grow food crops well. Yellow pine was a preferred species (native to the SE states) and now...100 years later...these same fields are the basis of the SE states lumber industry.

There are a couple of key things to consider when comparing lumber in the SE vs. Canada
1) Yellow pine is a fast growing species so it's more prone to splitting when using air nailers resulting in a higher wastage rate. This is why Canadian lumber receives a premium on price as home builders have less waste
2) Most mills in the SE states are tiny by Canadian standards. Maybe Canada of the 1980's but there are few "super mills" as we see up here. Canadian producers can buy 2-3-4 mills down there and build one new mill with greater capacity and a fraction of manpower needed.
3) A key advantage is the mill proximity to market. The mills in Canada are very cost effective...but the trucking/rail delivery costs of finished products are not.
4) There is limited land ownership and obligation for the sawmill. Unlike Canadian tenures which have reforestation obligations and other long term planning costs most of the wood is purchased from private landowners. And the same landowners receive significant outreach education assistance from the USFS and state agencies. But you're not required to reforest things as the wood purchaser.
5) Total supply exceeds demand as I understand it. I'm hearing stories of companies paying basically rock bottom prices for prime sawlogs...but only paying for the prime log and getting the rest for free. Between hurricane damages and old forest there is a pile of wood looking for a home and the existing mills have not been able to consume it all. I'm hearing prices as low as $6/m3 to the landowner...even if I add two hours trucking onto that it's only about $16-20/m3. Locally it's 4x that cost delivered to a mill and in BC I'm hearing 8x costs. Heck reforestation alone is usually about $6-12/m3 cost for comparison
6) Currency exchange between US generated profits (in a low cost area) vs. Canadian costs up north (but paid with a weaker dollar) and where the headquarters are at. Can drive your earnings higher across the board while remaining competitive in both markets.

 

[daftandbarmy]

As I understand it the biggest employment scheme under the US Civilian Conservation Corps during the great depression was tree planting. Mostly in the SE states due to cotton and tobacco fields lacking nutrients and unable to grow food crops well. Yellow pine was a preferred species (native to the SE states) and now...100 years later...these same fields are the basis of the SE states lumber industry.

There are a couple of key things to consider when comparing lumber in the SE vs. Canada
1) Yellow pine is a fast growing species so it's more prone to splitting when using air nailers resulting in a higher wastage rate. This is why Canadian lumber receives a premium on price as home builders have less waste
2) Most mills in the SE states are tiny by Canadian standards. Maybe Canada of the 1980's but there are few "super mills" as we see up here. Canadian producers can buy 2-3-4 mills down there and build one new mill with greater capacity and a fraction of manpower needed.
3) A key advantage is the mill proximity to market. The mills in Canada are very cost effective...but the trucking/rail delivery costs of finished products are not.
4) There is limited land ownership and obligation for the sawmill. Unlike Canadian tenures which have reforestation obligations and other long term planning costs most of the wood is purchased from private landowners. And the same landowners receive significant outreach education assistance from the USFS and state agencies. But you're not required to reforest things as the wood purchaser.
5) Total supply exceeds demand as I understand it. I'm hearing stories of companies paying basically rock bottom prices for prime sawlogs...but only paying for the prime log and getting the rest for free. Between hurricane damages and old forest there is a pile of wood looking for a home and the existing mills have not been able to consume it all. I'm hearing prices as low as $6/m3 to the landowner...even if I add two hours trucking onto that it's only about $16-20/m3. Locally it's 4x that cost delivered to a mill and in BC I'm hearing 8x costs. Heck reforestation alone is usually about $6-12/m3 cost for comparison
6) Currency exchange between US generated profits (in a low cost area) vs. Canadian costs up north (but paid with a weaker dollar) and where the headquarters are at. Can drive your earnings higher across the board while remaining competitive in both markets.

In this sector, as you well know, the cost accountants drive the decision making.

Costs in Alberta are apparently $100/m3 lower than BC, and it's even better in the US.

Hard to compete with that if you're operating in a social justice/ reconciliation/ eco-maniac agenda driven jurisdiction...

 

[foresterab]

In this sector, as you well know, the cost accountants drive the decision making.

Costs in Alberta are apparently $100/m3 lower than BC, and it's even better in the US.

Hard to compete with that if you're operating in a social justice/ reconciliation/ eco-maniac agenda driven jurisdiction...

That's a higher spread differential than I've been told by clients ($100/m3) but it is a significant difference. A few clients work both sides of the border and it's always been an interesting coffee discussion.

 

[QV]

Here are a couple articles on the US situation:

Wall Street Journal Poll Finds Lowest Approval for Democratic Party in 35 Years | National Review

Americans view the Republican Party and President Trump much less harshly than Democrats.

www.nationalreview.com

The survey shows that Democrats’s net-favorability is far below water at -30 percent — the lowest ever recorded in polls going back to 1990 — after falling dramatically throughout Joe Biden’s presidency. Since the 2024 presidential election, Democrats’s approval numbers have deteriorated even further.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/armstrong-trade-trump-tariffs-1.7593202

By just about every indicator, the U.S. economy is holding up remarkably well. When Donald Trump launched his global trade war, economists and markets said his tariff policy would slow the economy, drive up prices and dramatically reduce global trade.
And yet, stocks are at all-time highs, the country's employment is strong, its economy is expanding and the expected surge in inflation hasn't materialized.


There are contradictory claims out there, but if either article is to be taken at face value then #47 can't be doing that bad for the interests of his country.

 

[Good2Golf]

Here are a couple articles on the US situation:

Wall Street Journal Poll Finds Lowest Approval for Democratic Party in 35 Years | National Review

Americans view the Republican Party and President Trump much less harshly than Democrats.

www.nationalreview.com

The survey shows that Democrats’s net-favorability is far below water at -30 percent — the lowest ever recorded in polls going back to 1990 — after falling dramatically throughout Joe Biden’s presidency. Since the 2024 presidential election, Democrats’s approval numbers have deteriorated even further.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/armstrong-trade-trump-tariffs-1.7593202

By just about every indicator, the U.S. economy is holding up remarkably well. When Donald Trump launched his global trade war, economists and markets said his tariff policy would slow the economy, drive up prices and dramatically reduce global trade.
And yet, stocks are at all-time highs, the country's employment is strong, its economy is expanding and the expected surge in inflation hasn't materialized.


There are contradictory claims out there, but if either article is to be taken at face value then #47 can't be doing that bad for the interests of his country.

Just a bit lower than Trump’s 37%…

Independents Drive Trump's Approval to 37% Second-Term Low

President Donald Trump's job approval rating has fallen to 37%, the lowest of his second term as a result of a decrease among independents.

news.gallup.com

Looking forward to see the H2 numbers come out in the coming weeks.

 

[Kirkhill]

Brian Lilley muses that perhaps it isn't all about Trump. Perhaps we're doing something wrong as well.

Countdown on for Carney and Trump to get a deal...

Plus the truth on dairy, politicians working together and Canada's justice system.

www.brianlilley.com

Trump is touting one page deals with the rest of the world before August 1st and tariffs in the 15% range.

Our slothocracy doesn't seem to be able to rise to the challenge. Trade deals, passports and military trucks all delivered with the same sense of urgency.

Even the Brits, our mentors, with a Labour government, managed to secure a deal prior to the G7 meeting and have maintained relations ever since.

 

[brihard]

Brian Lilley muses that perhaps it isn't all about Trump. Perhaps we're doing something wrong as well.

Countdown on for Carney and Trump to get a deal...

Plus the truth on dairy, politicians working together and Canada's justice system.

www.brianlilley.com

Trump is touting one page deals with the rest of the world before August 1st and tariffs in the 15% range.

Our slothocracy doesn't seem to be able to rise to the challenge. Trade deals, passports and military trucks all delivered with the same sense of urgency.

Even the Brits, our mentors, with a Labour government, managed to secure a deal prior to the G7 meeting and have maintained relations ever since.

We already have CUSMA, and it remains in effect. We’re negotiating the goods and services that fall outside of that; since CUSMA is the bulk of our trade, we have lees need to quickly accept a shitty deal to protect most of our trade overall. Other countries that don’t have existing comprehensive trade deals are getting browbeaten into worse deals than we need to accept. If part of Canada’s strategy is to let American be influenced by the way their tariffs self-inflict damage, well, it takes time for that to play out.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Here are a couple articles on the US situation:

Wall Street Journal Poll Finds Lowest Approval for Democratic Party in 35 Years | National Review

Americans view the Republican Party and President Trump much less harshly than Democrats.

www.nationalreview.com

The survey shows that Democrats’s net-favorability is far below water at -30 percent — the lowest ever recorded in polls going back to 1990 — after falling dramatically throughout Joe Biden’s presidency. Since the 2024 presidential election, Democrats’s approval numbers have deteriorated even further.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/armstrong-trade-trump-tariffs-1.7593202

By just about every indicator, the U.S. economy is holding up remarkably well. When Donald Trump launched his global trade war, economists and markets said his tariff policy would slow the economy, drive up prices and dramatically reduce global trade.
And yet, stocks are at all-time highs, the country's employment is strong, its economy is expanding and the expected surge in inflation hasn't materialized.


There are contradictory claims out there, but if either article is to be taken at face value then #47 can't be doing that bad for the interests of his country.

It reminds me very much of the situation explained in the movie ‘The Bug Short’ about the bubble in the US mortgage market and how those in ‘the know’ kept wondering month after month why the bubble was not bursting….until one day it did.
I have a sense of déjà vu all over again. The music will stop and there will be a shortage of chairs.

 

[QV]

Brian Lilley muses that perhaps it isn't all about Trump. Perhaps we're doing something wrong as well.

Countdown on for Carney and Trump to get a deal...

Plus the truth on dairy, politicians working together and Canada's justice system.

www.brianlilley.com

Trump is touting one page deals with the rest of the world before August 1st and tariffs in the 15% range.

Our slothocracy doesn't seem to be able to rise to the challenge. Trade deals, passports and military trucks all delivered with the same sense of urgency.

Even the Brits, our mentors, with a Labour government, managed to secure a deal prior to the G7 meeting and have maintained relations ever since.

Lilley hits a lot of bullseyes there. Interesting comments regarding the Cdn/UK trade deal and the Cdn dairy cartel.

 

[brihard]

Lilley hits a lot of bullseyes there. Interesting comments regarding the Cdn/UK trade deal and the Cdn dairy cartel.

The U.S./UK trade deal with 15% tariffs on the UK is considerably worse than what we already have in place for most goods and services. What are we supposed to be emulating there?

 

[Kirkhill]

The U.S./UK trade deal with 15% tariffs on the UK is considerably worse than what we already have in place for most goods and services. What are we supposed to be emulating there?

We'll probably find out after August 2nd.

 

[QV]

The U.S./UK trade deal with 15% tariffs on the UK is considerably worse than what we already have in place for most goods and services. What are we supposed to be emulating there?

I was referring to this statement in the article: "In fact, dairy is the entire reason trade talks with Britain broke down meaning we don’t have a full trade agreement with them at the moment."

Interesting that the dairy issue is a problem beyond just the US.

 

[brihard]

I was referring to this statement in the article: "In fact, dairy is the entire reason trade talks with Britain broke down meaning we don’t have a full trade agreement with them at the moment."

Interesting that the dairy issue is a problem beyond just the US.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, economically speaking supply management is bad for consumers and will definitely continue to be a barrier to trade negotiations generally.

 

[Czech_pivo]

It reminds me very much of the situation explained in the movie ‘The Bug Short’ about the bubble in the US mortgage market and how those in ‘the know’ kept wondering month after month why the bubble was not bursting….until one day it did.
I have a sense of déjà vu all over again. The music will stop and there will be a shortage of chairs.

lol - the Big Short

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I was referring to this statement in the article: "In fact, dairy is the entire reason trade talks with Britain broke down meaning we don’t have a full trade agreement with them at the moment."

Interesting that the dairy issue is a problem beyond just the US.

Its a problem because it is an asinine policy. And those "Quebec Dairy Farmers" that it protects don't vote, because most of the production comes from the hands of agri-corporations.

It should have been terminated decade ago.

 

[Kirkhill]

Its a problem because it is an asinine policy. And those "Quebec Dairy Farmers" that it protects don't vote, because most of the production comes from the hands of agri-corporations.

It should have been terminated decade ago.

Most of those Quebec Dairy Farmers are represented by a Co-Op. That Co-Op bought up much of the milk processing capacity outside of Quebec. That included many of the other co-ops. But the dairy farmers outside of Quebec are no longer co-op members although there may be some non-Quebec co-op members. If so that is a relatively recent development. Most farmers just supply milk to processors. Agropur is the nominal co-op. Saputo is privately held in Montreal. Lactalis is privately held in France. Arla is privately held in Denmark and Sweden.

The Quebec "co-op" members seldom milk any cows themselves now. They hold the milk quota and they trade that quota. Other people work the farms.

Those "co-op" members, all 2700 of them, have also been buying up processing capacity in the US.