Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things. What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Once again, what specifically is it that you would expect Parliament to be legislating at this moment on the infrastructure file? Do you believe Parliament is primarily responsible for taking the lead to actually build projects, or that Parliament approves specific individual projects? Your anger on this issue isn’t lined up with the facts in terms of who is actually responsible for various parts of an infrastructure build.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Once again, what specifically is it that you would expect Parliament to be legislating at this moment on the infrastructure file? Do you believe Parliament is primarily responsible for taking the lead to actually build projects, or that Parliament approves specific individual projects? Your anger on this issue isn’t lined up with the facts in terms of who is actually responsible for various parts of an infrastructure build.

As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, in July 2026 when CUSMA comes up for its first renewal, if 1 of the 3 parties choses not to renew it, it still stays exactly in place for 10yrs until it ceases to exist in 2036. In each of those 10yr remaining years the 3 parties can still come to an agreement in which case, it renews until 2052.
The Donald has 1 and only 1 choice in ‘killing it’ and that would be giving notice that they intend to cancel it completely, in which case 6 months after that it does.
I do not think Congress or the US Senate would give him that power to cancel it entirely - the US economy would be gutted.

 

[The Bread Guy]

As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, in July 2026 when CUSMA comes up for its first renewal, if 1 of the 3 parties choses not to renew it, it still stays exactly in place for 10yrs until it ceases to exist in 2036. In each of those 10yr remaining years the 3 parties can still come to an agreement in which case, it renews until 2052.
The Donald has 1 and only 1 choice in ‘killing it’ and that would be giving notice that they intend to cancel it completely, in which case 6 months after that it does.
I do not think Congress or the US Senate would give him that power to cancel it entirely - the US economy would be gutted.

Assuming he follows the rules…

 

[Czech_pivo]

Assuming he follows the rules…

Agree - but that’s where the Court system, Congress, the Senate and the world trade organizations all come into play.
There is more and more push back each day in the US on falling CDN tourism, alcohol/wine boycotts and such. The trend is going our way on this issue.

 

[Altair]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

From what I've heard, the loan was given first, then they went the Chinese ferry route. Not sure what the Feds do in this case other than be angry after the fact.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things.

93 percent of trade being CUSMA compliant and tariff free is a pretty good thing.

We could have gotten hosed like the EU or Japan. No deal is better than a bad deal, especially because a bad deal now could not be walked back come CUSMA negotiations.

What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

CUSMA will be a challenge, but it's more about whether trump can find a way to unilaterally walk away from the deal or whether it limps towards 2036 with yearly meetings to figure out how to extend it to 2052. If it's the latter, we are good. If it's the former, Armageddon on both sides of the border. But that's not really in PMMC hands, it's in the US Congress and courts.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Anything done without at least consulting FN gets thrown out. We've seen this movie before. Unless you want him to use the notwithstanding clause, your anger is a bit misplaced.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

Blind trust. Brookfield has a lot of assets, he was always going to have a lot potential conflicts of interest. Kinda par for the course for a successful businessman.

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Seems like he has the Trudeau ministers toeing his party line. And Trudeau is busy dating again and doesn't seem to care about pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

Early days.

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

Is your anger that he's is not addressing the 7 percent of trade not covered by CUSMA or that he hugged a naked dude at a pride parade?

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

And Canada has lower effective tariffs than all of them. Technically, the UK, EU and Pakistan all getting hosed puts Canada in a better place. Why sign a piss poor deal like the UK or EU and bake in tariffs on CUSMA compliant trade when you can not do that and take the hit on the 7 percent of trade not CUSMA compliant? I don't get your logic here. The EU signed a bad deal so we should to?

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

The Canadian economy isn't doing that bad, our trade with the USA bumped up, and our trade with the EU has as well.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

I'm not going to complain about the deficit if a good part of it is going to defense spending. We cannot complain "oh we are laggards on defense spending" then complain "oh no, deficits because of defense spending".

Well, you can, but you would be intellectually dishonest

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

No, I'm good.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Good news is, you're probably wrong.

I missed these little talks.

 

[brihard]

Anything done without at least consulting FN gets thrown out. We've seen this movie before. Unless you want him to use the notwithstanding clause, your anger is a bit misplaced.

Just to smooth out a detail here, the duty to consult derives from Section 35 of the 1982 Constitution Act, and the more nebulous concept of the Honour of the Crown. The duty to consult is not a Charter-derived right, and isn’t subject to the Notwithstanding Clause.

Welcome back.

 

[Altair]

Just to smooth out a detail here, the Dduty to consult derives from Section 35 of the 1982 Constitution Act, and the more nebulous concept of the Honour of the Crown. The duty to consult is not a Charter-derived right, and isn’t subject to the Notwithstanding Clause.

Welcome back.

So even more misplaced.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[RangerRay]

I’m willing to give him a couple years before I make any judgments. The Canadian ship of state is slow to turn, even with new orders to speed up. Besides, no one is in any shape or is willing to go to an election anytime soon, other than rapid partisans, who are few.

 

[PuckChaser]

I’m willing to give him a couple years before I make any judgments. The Canadian ship of state is slow to turn, even with new orders to speed up. Besides, no one is in any shape or is willing to go to an election anytime soon, other than rapid partisans, who are few.

We don't have a couple years. A couple years lets Trump tariff an already weak economy into tanking into PIGS level of debt and failure. Inaction on national resource projects to decouple us from the US will ultimately doom Canada into losing G20 status. Carney was heralded as the Anti-Trudeau to fight the far-left ideologues. If he allows them to win by keeping the green handcuffs on any advantage we have in the world, why the hell would you let him fail upwards for 3 more years?

I've been told actions speak louder than words. Time for some actions.

 

[Altair]

We don't have a couple years. A couple years lets Trump tariff an already weak economy into tanking into PIGS level of debt and failure.

Tariffs on 7 percent of trade not covered under CUSMA isn't going to do that much

Inaction on national resource projects to decouple us from the US will ultimately doom Canada into losing G20 status.

I really doubt we fall behind Turkey, Argentina or Russia, never mind whoever g21 member would be who would theoretically replace us.

 

[Brad Sallows]

So much for all the pre-election "we have to act quickly". Federal and provincial governments will continue to stall as much as possible in the hopes they won't have to give up much of the internal protectionism they nurtured for decades.

 

[Maxman1]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things. What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Don't forget going full steam ahead with the gun bans.

 

[ArmyRick]

From what I've heard, the loan was given first, then they went the Chinese ferry route. Not sure what the Feds do in this case other than be angry after the fact.

93 percent of trade being CUSMA compliant and tariff free is a pretty good thing.

We could have gotten hosed like the EU or Japan. No deal is better than a bad deal, especially because a bad deal now could not be walked back come CUSMA negotiations.

CUSMA will be a challenge, but it's more about whether trump can find a way to unilaterally walk away from the deal or whether it limps towards 2036 with yearly meetings to figure out how to extend it to 2052. If it's the latter, we are good. If it's the former, Armageddon on both sides of the border. But that's not really in PMMC hands, it's in the US Congress and courts.


Anything done without at least consulting FN gets thrown out. We've seen this movie before. Unless you want him to use the notwithstanding clause, your anger is a bit misplaced.

Blind trust. Brookfield has a lot of assets, he was always going to have a lot potential conflicts of interest. Kinda par for the course for a successful businessman.

Seems like he has the Trudeau ministers toeing his party line. And Trudeau is busy dating again and doesn't seem to care about pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

Early days.

Is your anger that he's is not addressing the 7 percent of trade not covered by CUSMA or that he hugged a naked dude at a pride parade?

And Canada has lower effective tariffs than all of them. Technically, the UK, EU and Pakistan all getting hosed puts Canada in a better place. Why sign a piss poor deal like the UK or EU and bake in tariffs on CUSMA compliant trade when you can not do that and take the hit on the 7 percent of trade not CUSMA compliant? I don't get your logic here. The EU signed a bad deal so we should to?

The Canadian economy isn't doing that bad, our trade with the USA bumped up, and our trade with the EU has as well.

I'm not going to complain about the deficit if a good part of it is going to defense spending. We cannot complain "oh we are laggards on defense spending" then complain "oh no, deficits because of defense spending".

Well, you can, but you would be intellectually dishonest


No, I'm good.

Good news is, you're probably wrong.

I missed these little talks.

Nope. This why I am really avoiding posting on here, its the people like you that excuse everything the Liberals do. Always an explanation for everything, right? Its going to sour on the public.

In regards to Trump. When you got thrown to he ground, stomped on, punched and kicked but you at least scratched your opponent's arm, don't call that a blow back. Thats what Trump vs Carney is looking like. And son, its gonna get a lot worse. CUSMA renegotiation is coming and its gonna get ugly for us.

They sure didn't need FN consultation to put in bill C69 (several bands were pissed about that bill as they stood to lose money).

Consult FN when its politically convenient, right?

The economy is in the dumpster

Yeah, you miss this talks? Ease up on the marijuana, its distorting your view of reality

Deeds not words still stands no mater how many bullshit Liberal excusers come on here

 

[ArmyRick]

We don't have a couple years. A couple years lets Trump tariff an already weak economy into tanking into PIGS level of debt and failure. Inaction on national resource projects to decouple us from the US will ultimately doom Canada into losing G20 status. Carney was heralded as the Anti-Trudeau to fight the far-left ideologues. If he allows them to win by keeping the green handcuffs on any advantage we have in the world, why the hell would you let him fail upwards for 3 more years?

I've been told actions speak louder than words. Time for some actions.

Even at warp speed, the earliest we would see an election is spring 2026 (I doubt it), I do see a possibility of a fall 2026 or spring 2027 election unless Carney gets his ass in gear.

 

[ArmyRick]

ariffs on 7 percent of trade not covered under CUSMA isn't going to do that much

Trumps got 3 more years to go, this ride is gonna get a lot rougher.

I really doubt we fall behind Turkey, Argentina or Russia,

Ask our youth and young adults how they see things going (like people under 35, they have the least hope for Canada's future)
And if it happens? Oh just blame Trump. Instead of looking inwards and asking what did we fuck up (Start with Electing Trudeau 3 times over)

Glad we had this talk. Say it with me, DEEDS not words.

 

[brihard]

Yeah, you miss this talks? Ease up on the marijuana, its distorting your view of reality

Deeds not words still stands no mater how many bullshit Liberal excusers come on here

Respectfully Rick, can you tone it down a notch on the personal shots? They’re not useful, and they’re part of what wrecks our ability to have contentious discussions here. I’m sure everything you have to say can be done without attacking the individual who’s taking time to reply civilly to you.

 

[ArmyRick]

Respectfully Rick, can you tone it down a notch on the personal shots? They’re not useful, and they’re Orr of what wrecks our ability to have contentious discussions here. I’m sure everything you have to say can be done without attacking the individual who’s taking time to reply civilly to you.

When people condescend to me, I return the favour. The state of the economy directly affects me in a very deeply personal way.

How would you react if you walked into work tomorrow and they said you "You probably won't be a police officer past winter 2026"...

I missed these little talks.

And your very quick to call me out on it, but not others.

 

[brihard]

When people condescend to me, I return the favour. The state of the economy directly affects me in a very deeply personal way.

How would you react if you walked into work tomorrow and they said you "You probably won't be a police officer past winter 2026"...

I wouldn’t accuse you of using drugs or attack you personally. In my line of work we’re pretty used to people having unpleasant things to us. Regardless, he said nothing of the sort to you. A factual critique of your person isn’t a personal attack.

And you’re very quick to call me out on it, but not others.

I politely drew your attention to what’s really a pretty blatant crossing of the line we’re all held to here. I understand you getting heated and figured maybe a tap on the shoulder might let you consider a course correction.

If someone’s attacking someone here personally, I’m comfortable calling anyone on it. I’ve done it before- but you don’t see it often because it’s seldom necessary. Usually we all toe the line pretty well and usually we can self-police amongst ourselves if we step over. I’m not in the wrong for trying a lowest-level course correction as a peer on this site.

Anyway, you do you. Clearly this was not a good use of my time but I won’t apologize for trying.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Nope. This why I am really avoiding posting on here, its the people like you that excuse everything the Liberals do. Always an explanation for everything, right? Its going to sour on the public.

In regards to Trump. When you got thrown to he ground, stomped on, punched and kicked but you at least scratched your opponent's arm, don't call that a blow back. Thats what Trump vs Carney is looking like. And son, its gonna get a lot worse. CUSMA renegotiation is coming and its gonna get ugly for us.

They sure didn't need FN consultation to put in bill C69 (several bands were pissed about that bill as they stood to lose money).

Consult FN when its politically convenient, right?

The economy is in the dumpster

Yeah, you miss this talks? Ease up on the marijuana, its distorting your view of reality

Deeds not words still stands no mater how many bullshit Liberal excusers come on here

When people condescend to me, I return the favour. The state of the economy directly affects me in a very deeply personal way.

How would you react if you walked into work tomorrow and they said you "You probably won't be a police officer past winter 2026"...



And your very quick to call me out on it, but not others.

ArmyRick......I pretty much agree with everything you said in your original post,....but then you threw in that little "marijuana" line and you lost the whole argument.

Lots of folks are angry, lots of folks are happy, but here we try to mix those things up with a bit more class then the average internet forum.

Thanks all for your cooperation.
Bruce

 

[Altair]

Nope. This why I am really avoiding posting on here, its the people like you that excuse everything the Liberals do. Always an explanation for everything, right? Its going to sour on the public.

I suppose it's a reflection of society. Some people will blame the LPC for everything. Others will explain why the LPC do things. Everything balances out.

In regards to Trump. When you got thrown to he ground, stomped on, punched and kicked but you at least scratched your opponent's arm, don't call that a blow back. Thats what Trump vs Carney is looking like. And son, its gonna get a lot worse. CUSMA renegotiation is coming and its gonna get ugly for us.

CUSMA renegotiations will go one of 3 ways.

1)we sign a similar deal to the one we have now.

2)Trump plays hardball and the deal limps along in its current form with yearly renegotiations until until 2036...or until a Democrat is elected.

3)Trump tries to unilaterally leave CUSMA and we find out if the president can unilaterally overturn an act of Congress. Either way, it gets tied up in the courts and I don't know what you expect PMMC to do when the fate of CUSMA is tied up in the US court system.

They sure didn't need FN consultation to put in bill C69 (several bands were pissed about that bill as they stood to lose money).

Consult FN when its politically convenient, right?

Speaking of courts, the supreme Court of Canada has already said that resource projects cannot go ahead without First Nations consultation. So unless you're advocating for ignoring the supreme court, I don't know what you want to happen here.

The economy is in the dumpster

MSN

On Thursday, Statistics Canada gave a glimpse at how the economy wrapped up the second quarter of the year when many of those tariffs came into full effect.

"While the agency sees a couple of small contractions in real gross domestic product by industry in April and May, its flash estimates show the economy rebounding somewhat in June."

The economy is doing decently all things considered. Not in the dumps.

Yeah, you miss this talks? Ease up on the marijuana, its distorting your view of reality

I actually did miss these talks. You clearly have your opinion of how things are going, and write long articulate posts on how you feel. I go over those points and do my best to address them from my viewpoint. Every now and again, we even agree on things.

But just because we don't agree doesn't mean I don't enjoy the conversation. I don't take it personally.

Deeds not words still stands no mater how many bullshit Liberal excusers come on here

I do find this amusing. I think the last time I voted LPC was 2019. Which doesn't preclude me from being a liberal excuser I suppose, but it makes me a pretty bad liberal excuser.