Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things. What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Once again, what specifically is it that you would expect Parliament to be legislating at this moment on the infrastructure file? Do you believe Parliament is primarily responsible for taking the lead to actually build projects, or that Parliament approves specific individual projects? Your anger on this issue isn’t lined up with the facts in terms of who is actually responsible for various parts of an infrastructure build.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Once again, what specifically is it that you would expect Parliament to be legislating at this moment on the infrastructure file? Do you believe Parliament is primarily responsible for taking the lead to actually build projects, or that Parliament approves specific individual projects? Your anger on this issue isn’t lined up with the facts in terms of who is actually responsible for various parts of an infrastructure build.

As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, in July 2026 when CUSMA comes up for its first renewal, if 1 of the 3 parties choses not to renew it, it still stays exactly in place for 10yrs until it ceases to exist in 2036. In each of those 10yr remaining years the 3 parties can still come to an agreement in which case, it renews until 2052.
The Donald has 1 and only 1 choice in ‘killing it’ and that would be giving notice that they intend to cancel it completely, in which case 6 months after that it does.
I do not think Congress or the US Senate would give him that power to cancel it entirely - the US economy would be gutted.

 

[The Bread Guy]

As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, in July 2026 when CUSMA comes up for its first renewal, if 1 of the 3 parties choses not to renew it, it still stays exactly in place for 10yrs until it ceases to exist in 2036. In each of those 10yr remaining years the 3 parties can still come to an agreement in which case, it renews until 2052.
The Donald has 1 and only 1 choice in ‘killing it’ and that would be giving notice that they intend to cancel it completely, in which case 6 months after that it does.
I do not think Congress or the US Senate would give him that power to cancel it entirely - the US economy would be gutted.

Assuming he follows the rules…

 

[Czech_pivo]

Assuming he follows the rules…

Agree - but that’s where the Court system, Congress, the Senate and the world trade organizations all come into play.
There is more and more push back each day in the US on falling CDN tourism, alcohol/wine boycotts and such. The trend is going our way on this issue.

 

[Altair]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

From what I've heard, the loan was given first, then they went the Chinese ferry route. Not sure what the Feds do in this case other than be angry after the fact.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things.

93 percent of trade being CUSMA compliant and tariff free is a pretty good thing.

We could have gotten hosed like the EU or Japan. No deal is better than a bad deal, especially because a bad deal now could not be walked back come CUSMA negotiations.

What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

CUSMA will be a challenge, but it's more about whether trump can find a way to unilaterally walk away from the deal or whether it limps towards 2036 with yearly meetings to figure out how to extend it to 2052. If it's the latter, we are good. If it's the former, Armageddon on both sides of the border. But that's not really in PMMC hands, it's in the US Congress and courts.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Anything done without at least consulting FN gets thrown out. We've seen this movie before. Unless you want him to use the notwithstanding clause, your anger is a bit misplaced.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

Blind trust. Brookfield has a lot of assets, he was always going to have a lot potential conflicts of interest. Kinda par for the course for a successful businessman.

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Seems like he has the Trudeau ministers toeing his party line. And Trudeau is busy dating again and doesn't seem to care about pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

Early days.

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

Is your anger that he's is not addressing the 7 percent of trade not covered by CUSMA or that he hugged a naked dude at a pride parade?

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

And Canada has lower effective tariffs than all of them. Technically, the UK, EU and Pakistan all getting hosed puts Canada in a better place. Why sign a piss poor deal like the UK or EU and bake in tariffs on CUSMA compliant trade when you can not do that and take the hit on the 7 percent of trade not CUSMA compliant? I don't get your logic here. The EU signed a bad deal so we should to?

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

The Canadian economy isn't doing that bad, our trade with the USA bumped up, and our trade with the EU has as well.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

I'm not going to complain about the deficit if a good part of it is going to defense spending. We cannot complain "oh we are laggards on defense spending" then complain "oh no, deficits because of defense spending".

Well, you can, but you would be intellectually dishonest

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

No, I'm good.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Good news is, you're probably wrong.

I missed these little talks.

 

[brihard]

Anything done without at least consulting FN gets thrown out. We've seen this movie before. Unless you want him to use the notwithstanding clause, your anger is a bit misplaced.

Just to smooth out a detail here, the duty to consult derives from Section 35 of the 1982 Constitution Act, and the more nebulous concept of the Honour of the Crown. The duty to consult is not a Charter-derived right, and isn’t subject to the Notwithstanding Clause.

Welcome back.

 

[Altair]

Just to smooth out a detail here, the Dduty to consult derives from Section 35 of the 1982 Constitution Act, and the more nebulous concept of the Honour of the Crown. The duty to consult is not a Charter-derived right, and isn’t subject to the Notwithstanding Clause.

Welcome back.

So even more misplaced.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[RangerRay]

I’m willing to give him a couple years before I make any judgments. The Canadian ship of state is slow to turn, even with new orders to speed up. Besides, no one is in any shape or is willing to go to an election anytime soon, other than rapid partisans, who are few.

 

[PuckChaser]

I’m willing to give him a couple years before I make any judgments. The Canadian ship of state is slow to turn, even with new orders to speed up. Besides, no one is in any shape or is willing to go to an election anytime soon, other than rapid partisans, who are few.

We don't have a couple years. A couple years lets Trump tariff an already weak economy into tanking into PIGS level of debt and failure. Inaction on national resource projects to decouple us from the US will ultimately doom Canada into losing G20 status. Carney was heralded as the Anti-Trudeau to fight the far-left ideologues. If he allows them to win by keeping the green handcuffs on any advantage we have in the world, why the hell would you let him fail upwards for 3 more years?

I've been told actions speak louder than words. Time for some actions.

 

[Altair]

We don't have a couple years. A couple years lets Trump tariff an already weak economy into tanking into PIGS level of debt and failure.

Tariffs on 7 percent of trade not covered under CUSMA isn't going to do that much

Inaction on national resource projects to decouple us from the US will ultimately doom Canada into losing G20 status.

I really doubt we fall behind Turkey, Argentina or Russia, never mind whoever g21 member would be who would theoretically replace us.

 

[Brad Sallows]

So much for all the pre-election "we have to act quickly". Federal and provincial governments will continue to stall as much as possible in the hopes they won't have to give up much of the internal protectionism they nurtured for decades.

 

[Maxman1]

Well, I had some faith that Mark Carney could get some results (never believed he could match Pierre's proposals), however I am losing faith very quickly in PM MC. He is still better than Trudeau (hell, my lazy cat#3 could do a better job).

I am not liking that he didn't sit parliament through summer, although I am glad some committees are sitting (Freeland and Robertson got grilled hard over the $1 billion infrastructure loan to BC ferries for China to build them, and they deserved it), the excuse passing between different federal ministers (who claim to be upset about BC deciding to go with China) is unbelievable. And frankly, its more of the same old Liberal BS.

Lets face it, he was blown right off by Trump (I believe the final straw to break that camel's back was his out of line comments about recognizing Palestine as a state, WITHOUT parliament's consent), we are looking at 35% tariffs, but not to worry, it only applies to a few things. What the fuck do you think Trump will do when CUSMA renewal comes up? If any of this is an indication of how things are going, its going to get a lot worse. But feel free, die hard Liberals to keep carry Carney's water. Elbows up my ass, it don't amount amount to shit if your laying on your back after Trump has flattened you.

Bill C-5 amounts to what seems very little. I thought projects of national interest would be built (Build, baby, build?). BC Premiere David Eby (the worst premiere IMO) playing stupid "I don't know anything about pipelines being built...". And of course, the ultimate scape goat is "Need first nations buy in..." Yeah, because First Nations will all unanimously agree to anything.

Don't even long wind explain to me about his conflicts of interest (That should have come out during the ELECTION, NO BULLSHIT!)

So my question is, who is Mark Carney beholden to? Is he still got Trudeau era Liberals that are telling him not to do things? or what he should do?

Can I trust his commitment to defence spending will go through or is that another "expendable promise"?

We were told during the election we are in the greatest "crisis of our lifetime", yeah sure, it doesn't seem like it to me when he has time to hug a naked dude at a pride parade.

EU got a deal, England got a deal, Pakistan got a deal done, its an exhaustive list. Us? Nope. Thats what you get with Liberals.

Buckle the hell up, its going to get a lot worse. Only now, the same Always-vote-Liberal crowd will blame our dire economy on Trump. Its Carney that failed, bottom line. Sure, give me long winded justifications and excuses, he is the leader of the nation and promised BIG, and he has failed miserably.

Many of you disagree with me, dismiss me as stupid or ignorant (or both), or insult me (go for it), however I haven't seen an improvement in anything in Canada except we are constantly growing a bigger deficit.

The solution? Give your a head a shake and vote CPC already, get over the hair splitting bullshit you lot constantly complain about Pierre. I get sick of that too, Liberals get a wide berth in EVERY mis-step they take, but the CPC so much as farts in the wrong way, and its call to lynch them.

Things are going to only get really fucking bad in this country, and it won't stop until the sense of entitlement Liberals are out.

I hope I am wrong. Deeds not words.

Don't forget going full steam ahead with the gun bans.