MilEME09
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If we bought Rafales, you might as well make it a posting to France
The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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So slow the AA radars will think it's a flock of seagulls and won't realize the mistake, till the loadmaster start lobbing M67 grenades out the door and plinking with a .303Twin Otter isn't ITAR
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I think they just trialed a non-ITAR engine in them.
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I would switch your fleets around.
The F-35 for NORAD is a waste of resources. The main threat is old Russian (Chinese?) bombers releasing lots of ALCMs. For that you need a aircraft that can carry lots of AAMs. The F-35 doesn't have the internal capacity to carry large number of missiles and would have to mount them externally, negating its stealth capability.
The Rafale on the other hand has up to 14 hardpoints so it can carry lots of AAMs to take out Russian launched ALCMs. Perfect for NORAD.
The F-35 was designed, using its stealth and sensor/communication capabilities to penetrate enemy first lines defenses, not to chase after wayward aircraft, drug smugglers, aircraft hijacked by terrorists or worse case Russian/Chinese bombers.
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Hence F-15 EX for NORAD role.I would switch your fleets around.
The F-35 for NORAD is a waste of resources. The main threat is old Russian (Chinese?) bombers releasing lots of ALCMs. For that you need a aircraft that can carry lots of AAMs. The F-35 doesn't have the internal capacity to carry large number of missiles and would have to mount them externally, negating its stealth capability.
The Rafale on the other hand has up to 14 hardpoints so it can carry lots of AAMs to take out Russian launched ALCMs. Perfect for NORAD.
The F-35 was designed, using its stealth and sensor/communication capabilities to penetrate enemy first lines defenses, not to chase after wayward aircraft, drug smugglers, aircraft hijacked by terrorists or worse case Russian/Chinese bombers.
Plus Anti-Satellite and other nice things it can carry.
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They proposed one a long time ago but it went nowhere, they haven't done anything recently with engines that I am aware of. Profits aren't there with the Gripen to justify the integration, testing and fielding.
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Agreed. With the integration into NATO, the reality of not really being able to sell non ITAR stuff jumps up.
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How Pakistan shot down India's cutting-edge fighter using Chinese gear
The downing of the Rafale, the jewel of India's fleet, surprised many in the military community and raised questions about the effectiveness of Western military hardware against untested Chinese alternatives.
www.reuters.com
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One can hope. The K2 can do some real cool shit that puts Leos and Abrams to shame in some ways.
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I take both sides claims with salt, but it looks like they got cocky and perhaps were lured into a SAM trap.How Pakistan shot down India's cutting-edge fighter using Chinese gear
The downing of the Rafale, the jewel of India's fleet, surprised many in the military community and raised questions about the effectiveness of Western military hardware against untested Chinese alternatives.
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The F-35 was a *nod to playing semi-nice with Trumpland. The Rafale would be a “Your yesterday’s superpower, police the world on your own.”
I have always been a fan of the Eagle, but the 15EX is a uniquely capable asset that doesn’t fit in with Canada’s….idiom.
…or Poland…
Didn’t pan out, still an ITAR-controlled Volvo-built GE-licensed F414.
I would switch your fleets around.
The F-35 for NORAD is a waste of resources. The main threat is old Russian (Chinese?) bombers releasing lots of ALCMs. For that you need a aircraft that can carry lots of AAMs. The F-35 doesn't have the internal capacity to carry large number of missiles and would have to mount them externally, negating its stealth capability.
The Rafale on the other hand has up to 14 hardpoints so it can carry lots of AAMs to take out Russian launched ALCMs. Perfect for NORAD.
The F-35 was designed, using its stealth and sensor/communication capabilities to penetrate enemy first lines defenses, not to chase after wayward aircraft, drug smugglers, aircraft hijacked by terrorists or worse case Russian/Chinese bombers.
No. America would be pissy about having a non-US fighter in NORAD.
Yes, giving credit where credit is due…PAK ran a very well-synchronized JADC2 assault on the IAF forces, including having a Saab Global-Eye radar-equipped AEE plane both painting the Indian Rafales while the PAF J-10s ran their radars in Rx-mode only, basically guiding them and their PL-15 missiles onto the IAF Rafales using semi-active fire control methods (like earlier AIM-120 Sparrow missiles). The Rafales only ‘saw’ the PAK AEW radar plane from further away and didn’t take any defensive posture for other threats in their airspace. Indian fighter pilots and C2 were arrogant and *they paid for it. It was a BLOS/BVR engagement and theIAF wasn’t using anywhere near the capabilities of the Rafale. I bet you if the IAF had been flying F-35s, they also would have had one or two shot down. China….err Pakistan won that engagement hands down.
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Isnt one of the benefits of the F35 program was to be able to control Unmanned wingmen (6th gen fighters). In theory you need less Manned fighters to be able to cover the same foot print using a compliment of unmanned aircraft.
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If by 6th Gen, you specifically mean the F-47, then perhaps if they are used as an optionally-piloted aircraft. Otherwise, numerous 4/4* Gen fighters would be able to control CCA (collaborative combat aircraft) with applicable connectivity embodied.
yes but the F35 is stealthy where the others are not at the same level.
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In some specific radar bands yes. Not in all sensor bands, particularly longer wavelength radar and EO/IR. The first C in CCA doesn’t mean they have to be flying in formation, so the geometry of the battlespace and distribution of all effectors in the kill chain matters as well, not just the stealthiness (in particular bands) of one of the platforms.
The F35 with the sidekick mod (which Canada will have) can carry six AIM120s internally, plus an additional eight AIM 120s and two AIM9x externally, in "Beast" mode. It would be no slouch in the scenario you describe above. True it loses stealth, but the Rafale (or F-15 EX) would as well.I would switch your fleets around.
The F-35 for NORAD is a waste of resources. The main threat is old Russian (Chinese?) bombers releasing lots of ALCMs. For that you need a aircraft that can carry lots of AAMs. The F-35 doesn't have the internal capacity to carry large number of missiles and would have to mount them externally, negating its stealth capability.
The Rafale on the other hand has up to 14 hardpoints so it can carry lots of AAMs to take out Russian launched ALCMs. Perfect for NORAD.
The F-35 was designed, using its stealth and sensor/communication capabilities to penetrate enemy first lines defenses, not to chase after wayward aircraft, drug smugglers, aircraft hijacked by terrorists or worse case Russian/Chinese bombers.
We know the old EA6B technically was stealthily also. By blacking out the airspace. But it would jam, confuse and scatter signals all across the spectrum. Similar role the Growler can do and other platforms can do.
But the F35 was built on sensor fusion,stealth and command and control.
A F35 sqn in theory would bring a level of command and control never seen in a modern battlefield. Eliminating the need for AWACS similar platforms in the battle space.
If it all works in practice is to be seen.
We are seeing a switch from large AWACS plane to smaller platforms. With different setups. Is interesting to see. The United States has been leading the charge.
Time will tell.
I am excited to see where things go, especially since other countries are actively seeking these platforms. In a multi role multi platform multi coverage.
