Replacing the Subs

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Better would be next to Sackville or Haida

No. It would mean they are in the water. That's a lot of maintenance. Better that they be high and dry. It would be better for Haida and Sackville too, BTW.

 

[Dana381]

No. It would mean they are in the water. That's a lot of maintenance. Better that they be high and dry. It would be better for Haida and Sackville too, BTW.

The tour guide at Ojibwa told us the cost to build the 1km road to bring it up on shore was equal to 1km of the 401 at its widest point. I don't even know how many lanes that is. I think they got the sub for $1 but they spent $6 million parking it.

I don't think any subs will be saved for a while after that.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The tour guide at Ojibwa told us the cost to build the 1km road to bring it up on shore was equal to 1km of the 401 at its widest point. I don't even know how many lanes that is. I think they got the sub for $1 but they spent $6 million parking it.

I don't think any subs will be saved for a while after that.

I toured a few years back France’s first nuc boat in Cherbourg. They’ve got it docked and in the water. A great tour.

 

[YZT580]

I toured a few years back France’s first nuc boat in Cherbourg. They’ve got it docked and in the water. A great tour.

For a real contrast go to Malmo, Sweden. They have one of the WW2 Uboats as part of the museum there. 15 minutes and you will have a whole new respect for the men who went to sea in them

 

[Nvlgzr]

I toured a few years back France’s first nuc boat in Cherbourg. They’ve got it docked and in the water. A great tour.

Same with USS Growler in NY harbour next to USS Intrepid. Amazed by the size of the Regulus hangers and the crews bunks were stacked 4 high.

 

[Nvlgzr]

No. It would mean they are in the water. That's a lot of maintenance. Better that they be high and dry. It would be better for Haida and Sackville too, BTW.

I thought there was a push a few years back to make a dry exhibit of Sackville?

 

[Nvlgzr]

We had 1/3 scale full cut-away modules of the Victoria Class as a Full Length engineering display model. Not one museum in the country was interested in them.

Where did they end up?

 

[Stoker]

I thought there was a push a few years back to make a dry exhibit of Sackville?

Not enough money to build the museum they wanted.

 

[Stoker]

Drained money from DND budget….Enriched Babcock.

Even though it "drained" the money from the DND budget it still allowed the RCN to preserve the skills and keep us in the sub game. If we didn't buy them we have nothing right now and no reason to buy 12 submarines.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Even though it "drained" the money from the DND budget it still allowed the RCN to preserve the skills and keep us in the sub game. If we didn't buy them we have nothing right now and no reason to buy 12 submarines.

I mean look if some private enterpise wants to take this one and DND and the GoC are cool with it then go for it.

But if that's the metric we want to use, I would argue Atserix should get the same fate as arguably her ops tempo vastly surpasses any Vic sub; and her value for sea mile has provided the RCN with way much more in the continuity of skill.

 

[Underway]

I mean look if some private enterpise wants to take this one and DND and the GoC are cool with it then go for it.

But if that's the metric we want to use, I would argue Atserix should get the same fate as arguably her ops tempo vastly surpasses any Vic sub; and her value for sea mile has provided the RCN with way much more in the continuity of skill.

100%. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the Asterix program from start to finish. But I've posted other places this same thought. Asterix did what it said on the tin, and did what we asked her to do. She was a gas station and training facility for us, and kept us in the globally deployable game with the skills to keep doing that at a time when we had no other options.

When PRO (I'm no longer using JSS) starts doing RAS' as soon as the equipment is certified, its because we kept those skills alive with Asterix.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

When PRO (I'm no longer using JSS) starts doing RAS' as soon as the equipment is certified, its because we kept those skills alive with Asterix.

Actually, improved on them because Asterix and the new PRO are a lot more automated than the old PRO class or Provider before them.

 

[Underway]

Actually, improved on them because Asterix and the new PRO are a lot more automated than the old PRO class or Provider before them.

I'll defer to your expertise as I've never sailed on a tanker. I'm going to get my opportunity soon enough. Lol

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'll defer to your expertise as I've never sailed on a tanker. I'm going to get my opportunity soon enough. Lol

Its the only way to go to sea, if you ask me lol

 

[Retired AF Guy]

So any news on when the Dosan Ahn Changho submarine enters Canadian waters?

 

[Czech_pivo]

So any news on when the Dosan Ahn Changho submarine enters Canadian waters?

This article that I posted previously about their journey talks about 'June' as the timeframe.

https://news.usni.org/2026/04/08/south-korean-submarine-completes-first-leg-of-indo-pacific-voyage-to-canada

"The attack boat will arrive in Canada by June, coinciding with Ottawa’s expected decision on the winner of the patrol submarine program. After activities with the Royal Canadian Navy, Dosan Ahn Chang-ho is slated to join Rim of the Pacific 2026 naval drills around Hawaii on its return voyage home."

But, related to this timeframe, I had previously asked the question on people's thoughts on when the timing of the announcement would occur - before, during or after the G7 meeting in mid June in France. South Korea has been formerly invited by France to attend. A number of others have said (and I agree with their rational), that the announcement would most likely not occur until after the G7 meeting so as to not create bad blood between us and the Germans/Norwegians if we don't select their boat.

 

[Maxman1]

So any news on when the Dosan Ahn Changho submarine enters Canadian waters?

 

[Underway]

This article that I posted previously about their journey talks about 'June' as the timeframe.

https://news.usni.org/2026/04/08/south-korean-submarine-completes-first-leg-of-indo-pacific-voyage-to-canada

"The attack boat will arrive in Canada by June, coinciding with Ottawa’s expected decision on the winner of the patrol submarine program. After activities with the Royal Canadian Navy, Dosan Ahn Chang-ho is slated to join Rim of the Pacific 2026 naval drills around Hawaii on its return voyage home."

But, related to this timeframe, I had previously asked the question on people's thoughts on when the timing of the announcement would occur - before, during or after the G7 meeting in mid June in France. South Korea has been formerly invited by France to attend. A number of others have said (and I agree with their rational), that the announcement would most likely not occur until after the G7 meeting so as to not create bad blood between us and the Germans/Norwegians if we don't select their boat.

That was the original schedule before they did a one month extension. Look towards Aug, Sept for a decision I'm thinking.