Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

Poilievre and his Reform Party faction that came to dominate the COC are not really aligned with what we’ve considered ‘Tories’; to try to characterize them as such isn’t accurate. They absorbed the Progressive Conservatives, and then shifted away from that alignment. That’s left a vacuum that Carney has deftly slipped the LPC into, albeit at the cost of increasingly leaving a corresponding vacuum on the left.

If and when the CPC recover their sense of where they’re at, it will be necessary for them to fight hard to recover that center and centre right space that they’ve at least partially ceded to the sudden LPC shift. Not sure how they’ll actually do it.

Disagree with your opinion. Leave it at that. (Edit at work and had to cut it short) Different time period, different context and different national focuses.

 

[brihard]

Disagree with your opinion. Leave it at that.

I said a number of things. Which part do you disagree with?

 

[ArmyRick]

Poilievre and his Reform Party faction

Reform? Bud, they are long history. Comparing todays CPC to the reform is like comparing Carney/Trudeau Lioberals with Chretein Liberals. Very different beast.
Have you heard Poilievre call for senatorial reform specifically with equal senators for each province? Have you heard him ask for not treating Quebec any different than any other province? Nope. These were key reform party aims.
He has advocated for smaller government (and fewer regulations) and to treat Western Canada fairly (there are many who back him). That alone is hardly enough to say they are "reform party" holdovers.

and then shifted away from that alignment

What? Poilievre and this brand of CPC are seeking
-Smaller government
-Fewer taxes
-Less regulations
-Removal of ALL carbon taxes/fees/levys/ etc especially for ALL energy and resource projects
-Reward Municipalities for early completion of homes when federal funding is involved/penalize for late or no completion
-Speed up major projects (and NOT start more bureaucracies)
-Criminal justice and bail reform (Jail not bail reforms)
-Encourage small business development
-Encourage expansion of trades (plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc)
-Reduced immigration and returning to Harper era immigration policy (which Jason Kenney openly supports)

What here is "Reform party" platform from 25-30 years ago?

 

[MrWhyt]

. Another reminder, the last election was a hairline victory for Carney

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

 

[Altair]

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

True. We should do a redo right now, see how the CPC fairs in a rematch.

 

[ArmyRick]

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

They never had a 20 point lead against the Liberals when Carney became Prime Minister. They had it against the Trudeau Liberals. Been stated like 20 times already, hell even CBC doesn't say that crap anymore. If you believe Kory Tenyecke, you better get your head on straight, he is a LOBBYIST openly lobbying the federal LPC for several companies.

 

[MrWhyt]

They never had a 20 point lead against the Liberals when Carney became Prime Minister. They had it against the Trudeau Liberals. Been stated like 20 times already, hell even CBC doesn't say that crap anymore. If you believe Kory Tenyecke, you better get your head on straight, he is a LOBBYIST openly lobbying the federal LPC for several companies.

so PP couldn't sustain the CPC lead over the Libs once Carney became PM, and they still expect him to beat MC in a future election?

 

[Jarnhamar]

They never had a 20 point lead against the Liberals when Carney became Prime Minister. They had it against the Trudeau Liberals. Been stated like 20 times already, hell even CBC doesn't say that crap anymore. If you believe Kory Tenyecke, you better get your head on straight, he is a LOBBYIST openly lobbying the federal LPC for several companies.

It's disingenuous. The minute Trudeau signaled he was leaving the CPC immediately started dropping in the polls. The majority of Liberal and NDP voters were hardly serious about actually voting the CPC.

 

[ArmyRick]

so PP couldn't sustain the CPC lead over the Libs once Carney became PM, and they still expect him to beat MC in a future election?

Here we go again. First lets look at history, Harper beat Martin in 2006, how was that possible? Didn't he lose in 2004 to the same guy?

Add to that the lovely media coverage Carney enjoys (and the subsidies or in case of the CBC, the funding has nothing to do with that), and look at how basically the whole Liberal platform is "Vote for us because Trump is bad"

 

[ArmyRick]

It's disingenuous. The minute Trudeau signaled he was leaving the CPC immediately started dropping in the polls. The majority of Liberal and NDP voters were hardly serious about actually voting the CPC.

There is some truth to that. As warren Kinsella said before, during and after last election, it was all about the public's perception of how to handle Trump. Carney was an unknown.

 

[ArmyRick]

so PP couldn't sustain the CPC lead over the Libs once Carney became PM, and they still expect him to beat MC in a future election?

Tell you what. Don't vote Conservative then. We choose our leader in 2022 and we re-affirmed in January after losing the last election.

Funny, if the Liberals are so confident about beating him, why do they and the paid for media get so obsessed about removing him?

 

[MrWhyt]

Don't vote Conservative then.

as long as the liberals continue with their actions in regards to firearms laws i'm going to vote conservative. I just would like a leader who could actually lead them to a win.

 

[suffolkowner]

Tell you what. Don't vote Conservative then. We choose our leader in 2022 and we re-affirmed in January after losing the last election.

Funny, if the Liberals are so confident about beating him, why do they and the paid for media get so obsessed about removing him?

probably because to many hes not likable

 

[ArmyRick]

Lets see. In the past decade, the Liberals had everyone flocking together because
-Climate Emergency
-COVID Emergency
-Trump emergency

Also a crisis that we all need to rally around the Liberals. Just don't ask what they actually accomplish, what the plan going forward is, how much it will cost, who is paying for it, in fact, just don't ever look at the details in fine print.

And never mind bringing up the Arrive Scam, green slush fund, the growing deficit, etc. Just be a good patriot and stand by the Liberals.

Excuse me for not default trusting the Liberals.

 

[suffolkowner]

Lets see. In the past decade, the Liberals had everyone flocking together because
-Climate Emergency
-COVID Emergency
-Trump emergency

Also a crisis that we all need to rally around the Liberals. Just don't ask what they actually accomplish, what the plan going forward is, how much it will cost, who is paying for it, in fact, just don't ever look at the details in fine print.

And never mind bringing up the Arrive Scam, green slush fund, the growing deficit, etc. Just be a good patriot and stand by the Liberals.

Excuse me for not default trusting the Liberals.

youll have to hope theres no emergency in 2032/33 then

 

[ArmyRick]

as long as the liberals continue with their actions in regards to firearms laws i'm going to vote conservative. I just would like a leader who could actually lead them to a win.

Ever hear of manufacturing a narrative? Or a whisper campaign? It doesn't matter who you put in charge, the Liberals and the paid for media will go on a mud slinging campaign against WHOEVER is the new leader.

Pierre ain't that bad, otherwise Carney would not be poaching some of his ideas.

In the military you may like or dislike your leaders, it doesn't matter. Its their competency you want. Ditch the emotions already, it is a huge Canadian weakness.

 

[MrWhyt]

Ever hear of manufacturing a narrative? Or a whisper campaign? It doesn't matter who you put in charge, the Liberals and the paid for media will go on a mud slinging campaign against WHOEVER is the new leader.

oh no not THE MEDIA!! boo fucking hoo. I guess the buck stops elsewhere when it comes to PP.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Ever hear of manufacturing a narrative? Or a whisper campaign? It doesn't matter who you put in charge, the Liberals and the paid for media will go on a mud slinging campaign against WHOEVER is the new leader.

Pierre ain't that bad, otherwise Carney would not be poaching some of his ideas.

In the military you may like or dislike your leaders, it doesn't matter. Its their competency you want. Ditch the emotions already, it is a huge Canadian weakness.

True statement.
The issue with PP or anyone following him is if Carney continues to hold the middle ground and even moves ‘right’ on the correct issues, it will be dam hard for the CPC to upset the apple cart.
Will be interesting to see if Carney cuts some taxes in the middle class - those making 80-140k a year as a family unit - if he does and strengthens some family oriented plans, the CPC will have a tough time.

 

[ArmyRick]

THE MEDIA!!

So when even Bob Fife (who is NOT a Pierre Poilievre fan by a long shot) and a few other prominent journalist have even called out for an ending to subsidies for media (he says it changes the reporting)

The issue with PP or anyone following him is if Carney continues to hold the middle ground and even moves ‘right’ on the correct issues, it will be dam hard for the CPC to upset the apple cart.
Will be interesting to see if Carney cuts some taxes in the middle class - those making 80-140k a year as a family unit - if he does and strengthens some family oriented plans, the CPC will have a tough time.

I agree. If Carney produces excellent or even just good results, Pierre is toast. He has no reason for anyone to vote for him. I would love to be the fly on the wall in Carney's office, I suspect (and just a guess) that there are other factions within or support the LPC that are hindering him or being an obstruction. At least Guibeault, soon to be an ex-MP, was open about his disagreement

 

[MrWhyt]

So when even Bob Fife (who is NOT a Pierre Poilievre fan by a long shot) and a few other prominent journalist have even called out for an ending to subsidies for media (he says it changes the reporting)

So PP bears no responsibility for the CPC performance in the election or for the fact that under his leadership the CPC lost MPs and gave the Liberals a majority.