Isn't the +1 just a holdover from the 'on again/off again' ratings scale but without a running total for those ith a desire for regular ego stroking . Hijack// - The closer I get to 1.000 posts the more reasons the Mods are finding to subtract from my total (just kidding). Perhaps next a Mod will decide to delete all of the posts that begin or end with Rant or Hijack that do not appear in Radio Chatter. Rant off/
"+1" Posts --- and the removal of them
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We're not talking about deleting content, we're talking about removing posts that don't add value to the conversation. That's been a standing (but not always observed) rule of Army.ca for years. Vern has simply stated that a "+1" post clearly falls into this "contentless" category, and is probably the purest, most easy to identify form.
A post that starts with +1 and goes on to make a valid point is clearly not contentless, and wouldn't be considered for deletion. My statistics above were for background information, not a hit list of how many posts are left to be removed.
A post that starts with +1 and goes on to make a valid point is clearly not contentless, and wouldn't be considered for deletion. My statistics above were for background information, not a hit list of how many posts are left to be removed.
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Yes, I ran a couple of simple SQL queries directly against the forum database. I do the same sort of thing to collect the "years of online time" stats, for example.
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Mike Bobbitt said:
Mike,
I should have added a smiley - because I was insinuating - not all Hijacks and Rants add to the topic under discussion. I was taking it to the extreme because I thought the door had been left open for further Mod chopping. I have noticed, perhaps due to my increased time online, that a number of Topic Splits and clean-ups have been happening lately. I am not sure, whether this is more frequent than in the past or just that I have been online to noticed them.
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I agree with Spring_Bok I actually thought the +1 posts explained lots WITHOUT wasting band width.
(Luke 1:20) he was struck both deaf and dumb, as appears from his friends making signs to him, (Luke 1:62) which they had no need to have done, could he have heard: he was struck with deafness, because he hearkened not to the angel's words; and with dumbness, because from the unbelief of his heart he objected to them.
The mods are like the angels, they can strike us deaf and dumb anytime they wish. By either deleting posts, banning members, giving warnings. And its their right. This is their site. However I feel that deleting some posts no matter how frivolous (+1) will take away from some of the debate that goes on.
(Luke 1:20) he was struck both deaf and dumb, as appears from his friends making signs to him, (Luke 1:62) which they had no need to have done, could he have heard: he was struck with deafness, because he hearkened not to the angel's words; and with dumbness, because from the unbelief of his heart he objected to them.
The mods are like the angels, they can strike us deaf and dumb anytime they wish. By either deleting posts, banning members, giving warnings. And its their right. This is their site. However I feel that deleting some posts no matter how frivolous (+1) will take away from some of the debate that goes on.
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mover1, I have to respectfully disagree. Adding a "+1" to a conversation does not add value to it. Sure, one or two are not too intrusive, and do show the "grass roots" support for a topic. Imagine however a very popular thread, where hundreds are in agreement. I'd prefer not to browse through pages of +1 posts to have to cherry pick the useful responses.
Likewise, if +1 is considered a full reply, would -1 be useful in showing disagreement? I'd rather know what aspect someone agrees/disagrees with, or have them push the debate a little bit further.
Mods as angels? I think it's time to formally introduce the team, clearly you haven't met them yet!
Likewise, if +1 is considered a full reply, would -1 be useful in showing disagreement? I'd rather know what aspect someone agrees/disagrees with, or have them push the debate a little bit further.
Mods as angels? I think it's time to formally introduce the team, clearly you haven't met them yet!
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Mike Bobbitt said:
Or he's failed to notice the sheer volume of highjacks I myself can add to almost any topic in an attempt to swing it towards chaps etc.
I have deleted my own posts too!!
I like to have fun every now and again, but I thank him for calling me an angel. >
I like him!! ;D
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Mike Bobbitt said:
If there is a use for these +/-1 's (as evidenced by 600+ instances and concerns over "censorship"), why not use that idiotic +/- code for posters from a while back but for independent posts, something I had thought it was meant for anyhow. Posts could be peer graded for validity, +1's fall into disuse, and individual posters don't feel harassed for getting a minus count in the low millions. Obviously, this would take some poster restraint to mark a positive or negative on a statement they agree with, nut just vote rig for users they generally agree with. And, some comments just don't need negatives: they're easily recognizable as moronic.
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WTF!!
Tell me please exactly how deleting a simple post that says NOTHING except
+1
is censorship!!?? Are you people that put-out by having what essentianly amounts to a "head nod" being deleted?? I hate the guy who sits in the room and does nothing but nod his head in response (signifying agreement) to what someone has to say ... and from my point of view a +1 equates to a head nod.
Get a little bit of initiative folks -- I'm sure you could come up with something significant to say. My kids have bobble heads in their rooms. They irritate me too (and I KNOW that I'm not the only one on this site that is irritated by those bandwidth wasting "nods".
If I delete one of your +1, I have NOT censored you. YOU didn't say anything --- you nodded your head -- and I can't believe people are getting offended and yelling "censorship" because someone said "use your words".
Tell me please exactly how deleting a simple post that says NOTHING except
+1
is censorship!!?? Are you people that put-out by having what essentianly amounts to a "head nod" being deleted?? I hate the guy who sits in the room and does nothing but nod his head in response (signifying agreement) to what someone has to say ... and from my point of view a +1 equates to a head nod.
Get a little bit of initiative folks -- I'm sure you could come up with something significant to say. My kids have bobble heads in their rooms. They irritate me too (and I KNOW that I'm not the only one on this site that is irritated by those bandwidth wasting "nods".
If I delete one of your +1, I have NOT censored you. YOU didn't say anything --- you nodded your head -- and I can't believe people are getting offended and yelling "censorship" because someone said "use your words".
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I see where the admin is coming from here, but I also feel that an indication of 'grassroots support' (as it was so aptly put) can add a lot of conteXT, if not so much conteNT, and this can be crucial.
As an example, I'm going to take this somewhere controversial...
What about the RIP threads?
That someone died may be news, and that there were many in and out of uniform to express their condolences goes without saying. I don't really think that pages and pages of "RIP" etc add a lot of content per se to what is ostensibly a news story, but I could never suggest erasing them. Obviously this is not where the mods are going with this, but does seem to me to be a very close analogue. A lot of people want to express their support for something that's already been said. They aren't adding anything new, except their name/handle. But sometimes the support that is/isn't expressed is an important part of the story.
On that note, I should just point out that I don't think I have a single +1 post to my name, and I don't actually think this will be a big deal. I think the mods already know where I'm coming from, and will delete stuff responsibly.
This topic just tickled my 'freedom-of-speech' nerve, and that one will get me going every time. Sometimes all I want to say is "I agree with THAT guy."
As an example, I'm going to take this somewhere controversial...
What about the RIP threads?
That someone died may be news, and that there were many in and out of uniform to express their condolences goes without saying. I don't really think that pages and pages of "RIP" etc add a lot of content per se to what is ostensibly a news story, but I could never suggest erasing them. Obviously this is not where the mods are going with this, but does seem to me to be a very close analogue. A lot of people want to express their support for something that's already been said. They aren't adding anything new, except their name/handle. But sometimes the support that is/isn't expressed is an important part of the story.
On that note, I should just point out that I don't think I have a single +1 post to my name, and I don't actually think this will be a big deal. I think the mods already know where I'm coming from, and will delete stuff responsibly.
This topic just tickled my 'freedom-of-speech' nerve, and that one will get me going every time. Sometimes all I want to say is "I agree with THAT guy."
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It's really the 40 +1's that are the fly in the ointment, though admittedly a "+1 Shamrock" style post is really in the same category. The 600 odd +1 with explanation posts aren't included here, they're posts that likely add to the discussion, they just happen to start with "+1..." I only added those statistics for interest's sake. I guess I'm a number's guy... so long as it's not +1.
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FoverF said:
... and here I thought there was "speech" in 'freedom-of-speech'!
Anyhow, what make you think 'freedom-of-speech' apply to a private website ?
The fact that DS are sometimes moderately moderating trolls, giving them lloooong ropes before banning them ?
I'M SO GLAD I AIN'T A DS.
Thank you Mike B.
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