17 Sep 2016 - Explosions in NJ and NY

[mariomike]

It seems like they may have detonated the primary device with the idea of catching the cordon forces with secondary devices.

I guess the idea is to kill First Responders?

FDNY Rescue Task Force Paramedics last night. These aren't Tactical Paramedics. Every FDNY Paramedic is now RTF. They were only issued their Ballistic PPE recently.

2:40 AM - 18 Sep 2016 "FDNY is reducing its footprint in the hot zone area; still has a rescue task force on standby as authorities canvass for other devices."

( FDNY took over NYC EMS on 17 March, 1996. )

 

[George Wallace]

Three, if we include the pressure cooker that was discovered in time.

In other news,

ST. CLOUD, Minn. (AP) — Eight people were injured during a stabbing attack at a Minnesota shopping mall that ended with the suspected attacker — who was dressed in a private security uniform and made references to Allah — shot dead by an off-duty police officer, authorities said.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f05eb8439c394c4eb1d88bb0a967902e/police-respond-report-shooting-stabbing-mall?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

"The suspect made at least one reference to Allah during the attack and asked at least one person whether they were Muslim."

Interesting, to say the least.  Meanwhile in Calgary, there was a case of a man attacking people, and wounding a police officer, with a long knife/machete:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2946766/large-police-presence-at-marlborough-mall-after-reports-of-an-officer-involved-incident/


Some may think that these timings are coincidence; some will definitely be taking a look for a pattern and link.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I guess the idea is to kill First Responders?

FDNY Rescue Task Force Paramedics last night. These aren't Tactical Paramedics. Every FDNY Paramedic is now RTF. They were only issued their Ballistic PPE recently.

2:40 AM - 18 Sep 2016 "FDNY is reducing its footprint in the hot zone area; still has a rescue task force on standby as authorities canvass for other devices."

( FDNY took over NYC EMS on 17 March, 1996. )

Actually, the idea is to kill 'second responders', like Senior Officers, media, and crime scene investigators etc. As in this infamous incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrenpoint_ambush

That's why it always pays to watch those gripping televised 'on scene media scrums' on TV... you never know when it will suddenly get more exciting.

 

[mariomike]

... you never know when it will suddenly get more exciting.

During the war, before remote control, Lancasters, "...the remaining 25% of the 500 lb long-delay fused to explode at any time between 6 and 144 hours after impact."

And what about the cost of security?

“We have no reason to believe at this time that there is any further immediate threat,” Cuomo added, but “close to 1,0000 extra police and national guard people” will police bus, train and subway stations when New York goes back to work on Monday, a measure Cuomo said was “prudent”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/sep/18/manhattan-explosion-several-injured-in-blast-rolling-report?CMP=edit_2221

 

[McG]

So, the explosion and bomb on NY were definitely deliberate but there are no links to terrorism.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-explosion-injures-29-in-manhattan-second-device-found-blocks-away

?

 

[Old Sweat]

Actually, the idea is to kill 'second responders', like Senior Officers, media, and crime scene investigators etc. As in this infamous incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrenpoint_ambush

That's why it always pays to watch those gripping televised 'on scene media scrums' on TV... you never know when it will suddenly get more exciting.

Years ago I discussed the incident with an NCO from the QOH who was commanding "recce platoon" and had just received orders from the CO before Sunray departed for the scene.

 

[mariomike]

Governor Cuomo says the NYC bomber(s) will be brought to justice.

That is not always the case,

UNSOLVED BOMBINGS
New York City, New York
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unsolved-bombings

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unsolved-bombings/download.pdf

All 29 injured people released from the hospital - FDNY Commissioner Nigro

Short version: No one knows who did this or why they did it. - Mayor de Blasio

 

[Jarnhamar]

So, the explosion and bomb on NY were definitely deliberate but there are no links to terrorism.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-explosion-injures-29-in-manhattan-second-device-found-blocks-away

?

It's interesting how they can state there is no link to terrorism yet have no suspects  :-\

 

[mariomike]

Also a mass stabbing Saturday night.  Probably unrelated.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/18/minnesota-mall-attacker-referenced-allah-before-stabbing-rampage-police-chief-says.html

ISIS Claims Responsibility for St. Cloud Mall Attack
http://kstp.com/news/st-cloud-police-crossroads-mall-report-shooting-stabbing/4267007/
An Islamic State-run news agency claims the man who stabbed and wounded eight people at a mall in Minnesota before being shot dead by an off-duty police officer was a "soldier of the Islamic State."

"...he asked at least one person if they were Muslim before assaulting them,"

Under the circumstances, that would be an easy question to answer!

 

[George Wallace]

It's interesting how they can state there is no link to terrorism yet have no suspects  :-\

They are not saying that.  What they are saying is that there are currently no links to terrorism; that they are investigating to determine whom is responsible and why.  The investigation will take time to determine all the facts.  Until then, they are not jumping to conclusions.

 

[The Bread Guy]

So, the explosion and bomb on NY were definitely deliberate but there are no links to terrorism.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-explosion-injures-29-in-manhattan-second-device-found-blocks-away

?

It's interesting how they can state there is no link to terrorism yet have no suspects  :-\

The quote I'm reading says ...

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday that an explosion that rocked a crowded Manhattan neighbourhood, injuring 29 people, doesn’t appear to be linked to international terrorism ...

George fast-type beat me to it ...  ;D

In fact, how's this for further nuance?

Police in New York are appealing to the public for information after an explosion in the Manhattan neighborhood of Chelsea injured 29 people late Saturday. Authorities called the blast "an intentional act."

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo labeled the incident an "act of terrorism" at a news conference on Sunday morning, but specified that there is no evidence of "international terrorism." ...

Let's not forget the "breaking news" caveats - attached - as this one unfolds.

 

[mariomike]

‘There will be more’: Chilling 911 call after the Chelsea explosion
http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/there-will-be-more-chilling-911-call-after-the-chelsea-explosion/

"I’m looking at the explosion down the block. There will be more,” the unidentified male said, claiming to be standing at 23rd Street and Seventh Avenue.

Investigators have obtained surveillance video of a person placing another unexploded device — a pressure-cooker bomb — that was later removed from 27th Street.

That device was found by an older woman who was phoned by a friend checking on her in the wake of the explosion around 8:30 p.m. Saturday, sources said.

The woman went outside her home and noticed the bomb inside a plastic bag, then called 911.

Initial analysis of the garbage Dumpster that was ripped apart in the blast suggests whatever blew up was placed outside the bin, sources said.

The blast pattern shows the metal is bent inward, and an explosion inside the Dumpster would have bent the metal outward, sources said.

Meanwhile, sources said investigators were “vetting” an online Tumblr page on which someone claiming to be “the NY Bomber” took responsibility for the blast and said the motive was a response to anti-gay “violence and oppression.”

“I did it because I cannot stand society. I cannot live in a world where homosexuals like myself as well as the rest of the LGBTQ+ community are looked down upon by society,” one post says.
http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/there-will-be-more-chilling-911-call-after-the-chelsea-explosion/

Meanwhile in District of Columbia,
2 Dead and 7 Injured in Washington D.C. Shooting.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Shooting-in-Southeast-DC-393848481.html

 

[The Bread Guy]

Well, HERE's an interesting lead being followed up by the authorities -- usual initial reports caveats apply...

An online manifesto by a person claiming responsibility for an explosion in Chelsea that injured 29 people has been discovered, and police confirmed Sunday they are investigating the blog’s validity.

The following is the complete manifesto from an individual claiming responsibility for Saturday night’s attack.

The blog is titled, “I’m the NY bomber. This will be my manifesto,” and contains two entries:

"Taking a human life

I don’t know exactly how I feel about taking human lives

However, what I do know is that If I don’t do what needs to be done nobody will pay attention. LGBTQ+ people are much more likely to commit suicide than straight cisgendered people. It seems that nobody cares, however what if people from the LGBTQ+ community started lashing out in response to the violence and oppression we face with violence and possibly oppression? I’m sure that would give people a reason to not stand by while so many people are being oppressed ..."

The Tumblr account this came from is no more.

W.  T.  F.  ???

 

[PuckChaser]

Blow people up, that's a perfect way to endear people to your cause.  :facepalm:

 

[mariomike]

W.  T.  F.  ???

Don't they usually have nuts claiming responsibility for high profile crimes, and lots of false leads and false confessions?

Sometimes informants wait for the reward to get high enough before they drop a dime.

NYPD is still trying to solve this bombing that killed two of their detectives and injured several more:
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/75-years-later-the-deadly-bombing-that-rocked-the-new-york-worlds-fair-is-still-unsolved

Who were the perps? Communists? The Bund? IRA? Irate Christians? Who knows?

 

[AbdullahD]

Blow people up, that's a perfect way to endear people to your cause.  :facepalm:

Something is not right with this confession... I would  not be suprised at all if it was a misdirection attempt.

It just does not make sense why would lgbt target a armed forces charity run? That seems to be more a daesh or blm move...

 

[PuckChaser]

It just does not make sense why would lgbt target a armed forces charity run?

Former military member booted out during don't ask, don't tell inquisitions?

Daesh is usually very quick to grab spotlight if its one of their followers, and they haven't claimed this yet (but claimed the knife attack). Signs are pointing to a domestic terror suspect, or a botched murder that was styled to look like a terror attack.

We need to make sure that if this bombing was conducted due to a push for ideological or political change, we brand them as terrorists. Not doing so would reinforce to the Muslim community that we only call muslims who conduct attacks as terrorists. We cannot be afraid of the terrorist label, lets call a spade a spade.

 

[cupper]

Meanwhile in District of Columbia,
2 Dead and 7 Injured in Washington D.C. Shooting.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Shooting-in-Southeast-DC-393848481.html

I would chalk this up to another Saturday Night in South East DC. More than likely a case of a neighborhood turf war or settling of scores, with several bystanders taking hits.

Unfortunately this is more common than not in certain sections of DC, especially south of the Anacostia River. It's rare to go more than two nights in a row without a report of shots being fired, more than a week without someone being hit by gunfire. Weekends usually generate several incidents.

Nowhere near as bad as Chicago, but significant enough.

UPDATE: DC Police are stating that this may have been the result of a neighborhood dispute.

 

[AbdullahD]

Former military member booted out during don't ask, don't tell inquisitions?

Daesh is usually very quick to grab spotlight if its one of their followers, and they haven't claimed this yet (but claimed the knife attack). Signs are pointing to a domestic terror suspect, or a botched murder that was styled to look like a terror attack.

We need to make sure that if this bombing was conducted due to a push for ideological or political change, we brand them as terrorists. Not doing so would reinforce to the Muslim community that we only call muslims who conduct attacks as terrorists. We cannot be afraid of the terrorist label, lets call a spade a spade.

Very good points and I did not think of them. I just have a hard time thinking my gay friends could do this. Im very biased here, sorry, maybe that is why I can not connect the two in my head easily.

But just so everyone knows my definition of terrorist is anyone who does acts to scare or did an act that scared people.

So we just have to figure out what kind of pos terrorist he is. (This is just my definition, nothing else)

 

[mariomike]

NYPD: Pressure-Cooker Device Trigger Malfunctions, Emblazoned With Islamic Crescent Moon & Star
http://truepundit.com/nypd-pressure-cooker-device-trigger-malfunctions-emblazoned-with-islamic-crescent-moon-star/
In what is likely the first overt sign that the attacks are linked to Islamic terrorism, sources noted the pressure cooker lid was emblazoned with a drawing of the crescent moon and star, the internationally-recognized symbol of Islam.

"The bombing was in the most heavily LGBT area of the city, Chelsea,.
This is where Stonewall Riots happened, with the birth of gay rights
and the creation of Gay Pride. Was this a deliberate attack on the gays
of America, like another Orlando? Clearly the most likely victims would
have been a good number of gays and lesbians out for the evening."

The new FDNY CounterTerrorism Task Force. Deployed last night in Manhattan.

Investigators exploring possibility NJ, NY blasts linked to same bombers due to apparently similar cell phones.