17 Sep 2016 - Explosions in NJ and NY

[The Bread Guy]

We need to make sure that if this bombing was conducted due to a push for ideological or political change, we brand them as terrorists.

:nod:

 

[Jarnhamar]

They are not saying that.  What they are saying is that there are currently no links to terrorism; that they are investigating to determine whom is responsible and why.  The investigation will take time to determine all the facts.  Until then, they are not jumping to conclusions.

You're right. How I read it originally it came across that they were trying too quick to say it had nothing to do with Terrorism when I figured they had no idea either way. I suppose they could have also said the Irish aren't suspected either.

I think one of the issues is that just like PTSD was hijacked by the AF community so too is terrorism seemingly pushed to be automatically associated with middle east Islamic attackers.  Or that's peoples automatic reaction when they hear the T-word.

 

[cupper]

NBC Nightly News is reporting that federal sources suspect that the material used in the bomb that did detonate on 23rd Street may have been Tannerite.

 

[Jarnhamar]

NBC Nightly News is reporting that federal sources suspect that the material used in the bomb that did detonate on 23rd Street may have been Tannerite.

There's been at least 4 tannerite deaths  (including a suicide)  and 2 severed legs from people misusing that stuff.
If. It was used in the bomb wouldn't  the bombers have had to blast it with a high velocity bullet?

 

[The Bread Guy]

NBC Nightly News is reporting that federal sources suspect that the material used in the bomb that did detonate on 23rd Street may have been Tannerite.

That's what The Associated Press is saying, too ...

... The New Jersey device contained evidence of a black powder, while the device that exploded in Manhattan had residue from an explosive called Tannerite, said a federal law enforcement official.

The official wasn't authorized to discuss details of the ongoing investigation and spoke to the AP on the condition of anonymity.

Tannerite is often used in target shooting to mark a shot with a cloud of smoke and small explosion ...

More on Tannerite (usual GIGO caveats for Wikipedia) here.

 

[PuckChaser]

There's been at least 4 tannerite deaths  (including a suicide)  and 2 severed legs from people misusing that stuff.
If. It was used in the bomb wouldn't  the bombers have had to blast it with a high velocity bullet?

Easy enough to circumvent, charge at end of pipe, detonator fires a round into the main charge.

Would also explain why the other charges didn't detonate, lots of stuff to go wrong when you have to set it off that way.

 

[The Bread Guy]

IF it's true that Tannerite was involved, and IF it's found to be homemade, I predict it'll become a LOT harder to buy certain types of instant cold packs.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Easy enough to circumvent, charge at end of pipe, detonator fires a round into the main charge.

And if it's the shock wave of the impacting bullet that sets it off, I suspect a blasting cap/detonator could do the same thing, no?

 

[brihard]

IF it's true that Tannerite was involved, and IF it's found to be homemade, I predict it'll become a LOT harder to buy certain types of instant cold packs.

The Ammonium Nitrate cold packs are already being diverted for 'shake and bake' Methamphetamine production, and more and more of the producers have reformulated to use Calcium Ammonium Nitrate. If they're being used for HME, that will likely be the regulatory death knell of the availability of Ammonium Nitrate in commercial first aid products.

 

[mariomike]

Well, HERE's an interesting lead being followed up by the authorities -- usual initial reports caveats apply...The Tumblr account this came from is no more.

W.  T.  F.  ???

False Alarm.

Person falsely claims responsibility for Chelsea explosion in online manifesto, sources say
http://pix11.com/2016/09/18/__trashed-31/
NEW YORK — An individual who penned an online manifesto claiming responsibility for an explosion in Chelsea that injured 29 people has determined to be linked to North Carolina, and not the NYC-area attack, multiple sources said Sunday.

The manifesto — "I'm the NY Bomber: This is will be my manifesto"  — was discovered the day after Saturday night's attack.

Meanwhile, in Brooklyn, probably another false alarm, but gotta check it out...

Brooklyn: Bedford Ave & Dekalb, @NYPD79Pct calling a level 1 mobilization for a suspicious package at the location.

 

[PuckChaser]

And if it's the shock wave of the impacting bullet that sets it off, I suspect a blasting cap/detonator could do the same thing, no?

Not sure, an ammo tech/EOD-qual Engineer could probably pick apart ignition methods significantly better.

I did find some data that indicated you needed to have at least a 40 gr projectile traveling at over 2000 ft/s, and that a pointed bullet provides more kinetic energy to a smaller place to the explosive than a blunt bullet.

 

[Jarnhamar]

And if it's the shock wave of the impacting bullet that sets it off, I suspect a blasting cap/detonator could do the same thing, no?

Guess it depends on the energy those put out?  A shotgun won't set it off, nor I believe a pistol. I think it needs to be around the 2000FPS mark?

 

[cupper]

Meanwhile, in Brooklyn, probably another false alarm, but gotta check it out...

Brooklyn: Bedford Ave & Dekalb, @NYPD79Pct calling a level 1 mobilization for a suspicious package at the location.

I suspect there will be quite a few each day for the forseeable future until they nail the perp.

 

[McG]

And if it's the shock wave of the impacting bullet that sets it off, I suspect a blasting cap/detonator could do the same thing, no?

Generally, all stable explosives require a shockwave for initiation, and they all generate a shockwave. C4 gets its initiating shockwave from the det cord.  The det cord gets a lesser shockwave from an electric or non-electric det.  The dets will go without a shockwave; they are the dangerous part of the whole explosive train.

 

[mariomike]

Three pipe bombs and 2 smaller devices at a train station in Elizabeth, NJ. Service along the NE Corridor shut down.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/federal-agents-arrest-people-linked-chelsea-bombing-article-1.2797378?cid=bitly

FBI arrests five people near Verrazano Bridge in possible connection to Chelsea bombing after bomb cache find in New Jersey

Federal agents busted five people in Brooklyn in a possible connection to the Chelsea bombing late Sunday, law enforcement sources said.

The suspects were in a “vehicle of interest” heading east at around 9:30 p.m. on the Belt Parkway from the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge., FBI officials confirmed.

A weapons stash was found inside the SUV, sources revealed.

Meanwhile, authorities discovered three pipe bombs and two smaller devices at a train station in Elizabeth, the law enforcement source said.

The bomb robot probe shuttered train service along the Northeast Corridor between Newark Airport and Penn Station due to the police investigation, according to NYC emergency management officials.

An Instagram account for New York State Sen. Marty Golden, citing the NYPD, said the Belt Parkway arrests had “a possible connection to the bombing” in Chelsea.

Update from the NYPD: About an hour ago, the FBI took several individuals into custody on the Belt Parkway in the area underneath the Verrazano Bridge, with a possible connection to the bombing last night in Chelsea

The FBI said no one has been charged and the investigation is ongoing.











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[vonGarvin]

CNN Television reports they are looking for Ahmed Khan Rahami.

 

[Lightguns]

CNN Television reports they are looking for Ahmed Khan Rahami.

If I were a New Yorker, I would be more worried about the mayor and governor's need to come out before the evidence and do everything possible to not blame the islamists with some of the most amazing convoluted language in the history of political PC.  They were almost pathological in their need to convince everyone, very PC.

 

[tomahawk6]

The St Cloud attacker was a foreign born muslim and a person of interest in the Chelsea bombing is a naturalized US citizen from Afghanistan Ahmad Khan Rahami.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/mn-somali-stabber-nyc-afghan-bomber-foreign-born-islamists/

 

[mariomike]

If I were a New Yorker, I would be more worried about the mayor and governor's need to come out before the evidence and do everything possible to not blame the islamists with some of the most amazing convoluted language in the history of political PC.  They were almost pathological in their need to convince everyone, very PC.

Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio are both Democrats.

NPR

September 17, 2016·

One Trump Side-Effect: Democrats Are Reaching Out To Muslim Voters
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/17/494272484/one-trump-side-effect-democrats-are-reaching-out-to-muslim-voters

 

[Edward Campbell]

Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio are both Democrats.

NPR

September 17, 2016·
One Trump Side-Effect: Democrats Are Reaching Out To Muslim Voters
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/17/494272484/one-trump-side-effect-democrats-are-reaching-out-to-muslim-voters

Yes, indeed they are, but Da'esh/ISIL/ISIS and all the other assorted jihadi/extremist groups are "reaching out" to Donald Trump every time they blow up something or, worse, someone ... my guess is that on or two more of these attacks and a few Democratic blue states will turn Republican red in November, making the electoral college votes much, much closer than anyone anticipated just a couple of months ago.