2 beer per man ...

[riggah052]

Hi everyone.

I just returned from my TAV in Kabul and based on my experience there I have a question. What is your opinion on the two beer per man per day policy?

I know that everyone has an opinion and just from conversations I‘ve had with guys over there it seems to spark a lot of controversy. Tell me what you think.
:gunner:

 

[Jarnhamar]

From what i‘ve noticed people almost feel like they need to have their 2 beer per night. It‘s owed to them so their gonna drink it. Thats 14 beer a week. 56 beer a month. Might not seem like a lot to some but whats one of the main tell tale signs they say of alcoholisim? A pattern.
People also look at that as say BS, i can have more then 2 beer and they find a way to either sneak alcohol into base or get someone who doesnt drink to buy them 2 beer.
It‘s human nature, what happens when you tell someone not to do something in this context?

 

[Duotone81]

How on earth would 2 beers get you hammered??

I think I would be feeling pretty festive after 2 of these...

Beer Break

 

[Recce41]

You got to be kidding. I was hammered the night we were shelled. My Father was drunk through most of WW2 and Korea. Anyone thinks it makes a difference, NO. :evil: :tank:

 

[E13E]

Back in the early days when drinking was aloud on tours, the sqn that I was with took it to extremes. I would say that 3/4 of the sqn were past being functionable every night and the big question is what if we get attacked. Back in the old Yugo when "N" Coy arrived on the ground they were mortered on their first night in theater. The only time I drank was when I was on R&R. When you have a section that is hung over the next day and prodding through a minefield you need all your witts about you. It‘s not like standing at a check point with a hangover. The one mistake you make in a minefield could not only kill you but also other section member. I still believe that there should be no alcohal in theater. with the two beer rule. It is very easy for you to get more than your two beer, just ask a friend who is not drinking that night to get you his/hers. I don‘t know about you but I like to have everyone come home safely.

 

[Recce41]

I remember telling my old man, that there is a 2 beer limit. He laughed and said. Wait until you have to send a man in. 70-80% of the fellas were a lil drunk. He said, that the SSM use to give a canteen cup full of what ever there was. I think someone who spent 3 1/2 yrs under fire, is a better person to ask as some General in Ottawa. My Father in Law said the same thing. If you were drunk, you would do did thinkd no sober one would. :evil: :tank:

 

[Jarnhamar]

So someone might conclude by your argument that that for the canadian military to perform in combat, be effective if you would, they have to be drunk

 

[Gunnar]

Something from Murphy‘s Laws of Combat:

Beer math: two beers times 37 men equal 49 cases.

 

[kiltedtradesman]

I agree with both sides of the discusion. I even bring a flask out on ex from time to time, but not to get drunk, just to keep my nerves at ease. 2 beers is plenty when peacekeeping. If you are in all out combat, then who cares about the drinking, let the men run wild.... It will keep them sane. However, when you are dealing with touchy feely peacekeeping, and you are constantly being harassed by some camel jockey with a $5.00 RPG. You need the upper edge you to be focused....Focused on your mission, focused on your troops and focused on the f#ck‘n ROE‘s. Look what happened to the Yank in the fightjet when he wasn‘t focused..... The ******* bombed 3VP. Do we really want to look that stupid?

I think 2 beers are plenty. And if you see one of you buds having a bad day, then give him one of yours. However, if everything goes to **** and you have to fight your way outta there, then let the men drink.

 

[portcullisguy]

I just finished a great book ("Redcoat") which touches on the British army and alcohol.

Apparently, it was very difficult, through history, to find a campaign during the age of musket and horse when British soldiers weren‘t, as a whole, entirely hammered, or at least for the most part, quite well warmed up by the drink.

I mean, they used to give a rum ration, for god‘s sake.

Both officers and men often found courage in (more than) a little strong drink. Several combatants at Waterloo were stone drunk.

With over 60% of casualties resulting from poor sanitation and secondary effects of wounds (infections), it‘s no great wonder, I guess, that liquid courage was often sought.

 

[Armymedic]

If its two beer per man per day....

Does that mean the women who are on tour are not allowed to drink beer....

and the Officiers (they are not men)....do they get port instead of beer....

Seriously now....

My only bitch is that in Bosnia on my last tour they only served beer and wine (lots of wHine). Many would have prefered a simple selection of hard liqour (rye, vodka, rum, JD, the usual). I believe Canex has since changed that for us more refined drinkers.

 

[Deleted member 585]

Riggah052:

Welcome back brother.

Cheers.

 

[gate_guard]

On this one, I have to completely agree with Portcullisguy. Peacekeeping is one thing, full out combat is another.