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2016: Canada considers new Libya military mission?

The MND has said we are going to be part of the mission. At least, once they figure out what kind of contribution we can give. However, once again, Canada does not seem to have a seat at the table with the United States, France, Italy and Britain, or we are not being acknowledged, at any rate. Deja vu all over again?
 
I smell another, no doubt well intentioned/ do gooder focused but destined to be messed up, 'Merican Crusade'. Unless they can round up a coalition of two or three Corps in size, of course:


US Considering 'Military Action' in Libya to 'Save' Africa From Daesh



Having messed up in Iraq and Syria, the United States is now eyeing Libya as the next potential place where Washington’s “decisive military action” is needed.


Citing a growing threat of Daesh's (Islamic State) expansion in Libya, the US government is considering the idea of sending its military to wipe out the terrorists in the North African nation.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/africa/20160123/1033610383/us-military-intervention-libya.html#ixzz40CuC3CJn

 
Here's some more tidbits of some recent open source info (highlights mine) ...
Italy has declared itself "ready" for military intervention in Libya, following the formation of a new government of national unity in the country on Tuesday. Italy is expected to lead an international mission, backed by Germany, diplomatic sources say.

Paolo Gentiloni, Italian minister of foreign affairs, called the advancement "a crucial step forwards in a still fragile situation," declaring that there is now "a real opportunity for stability in the country, which must be seized by all" and that "Italy is ready to play its part."

However, he made clear that intervention would only take place if there were a request for it from the new Libyan government, and if approved by the UN.

The ambassador of Libya to Italy, Ahmed Safar, has said that the west must help the country to rebuild civil society, but that "regarding a foreign military intervention there are still sensitive issues that could risk leading to undesirable consequences."

According to leaks reported by Il Sole 24, an Italian military operation would not exceed 1000 men, to include land, sea and air forces. It would put in place patrol planes, with and without pilots, military training for local security forces and patrols in target areas and reinforced anti-smuggling control at points along the coast.

The UN special envoy to Libya, Martin Kobler, has also called for the opening up of humanitarian channels in the country.

( ... )

Following a conference in Libya to discuss the future of the country, the head of the Presidential Council Fayez al-Serrai reaffirmed the responsibility of Italy as coordinator of the military and security sectors.
... as well as some kernels from a usually-over-the-top source (no more or less so than Sputnik Russian-state media, I guess, but let's throw it in to triangulate):
... The latest crack in the façade (for those paying attention), is the deployment of a joint British-Italian force consisting of 6,000 soldiers to Libya under the guise of defeating ISIS.

(...)

Clearly, the deployment of British and Italian troops to Libya is nothing more than another geopolitical move designed to gain access to oil and gain strategic footing in North Africa and the Middle East.

The true enemy, from the perspective of NATO is not ISIS. Hence, the deployment of such a small number of troops (6,000 vs 4,000) ...
Here's a bit more from late last year in Brit media:
Britain could launch military action in Libya next, Government sources have said amid fears that Islamic State militants will use their new stronghold along a stretch of the Mediterranean coast to target Europe.

Ministers at the Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence say they are “extremely concerned" by the rapid rise of Isil and other extremist groups in Libya and are considering plans for intervening to tackle the threat.

(...)

A Government source said ministers were "moving in the direction" of a plan to send military support alongside European allies to defeat Isil in Libya.

(...)

France has been sending spy planes over Libya to assess the scale of the threat posed from the country, which has fallen into chaos since its dictator, Col Muammar Gaddafi, was ousted with Western military backing in 2011.

(...)

Italy has been drawing up plans for a European military coalition to back any Libyan Government and seeking allies to lend help.

Any plan would have to wait for Libya to appoint a recognised national government.

The source said: “There needs to be a recognised government in place in Libya that can ask us for help – then we will do whatever we can to help them deal with Isil."

Another source said: “We are not at the decision point on what to do. You need an effective government of sorts to invite you to do stuff, which is what’s lacking at the moment.” ...
As for Libya's government asking, it appears we MAY be a step closer to having a government to do tha asking ...
Libya's Presidential Council named a revised lineup late on Sunday for a unity government under a United Nations-backed plan aimed at ending the conflict in the North African state.

One of the council's members, Fathi al-Majbari, said in a televised statement that the list of 13 ministers and five ministers of state had been sent to Libya's eastern parliament for approval.

But in a sign of continuing divisions over how to bring together Libya's warring factions, two of the council's nine members refused for a second time to put their signatures to the proposed government, according to a document posted on the Presidential Council's Facebook page.

The U.N. plan under which the unity government has been named was designed to help Libya stabilize and tackle a growing threat from Islamic State militants. It was signed in Morocco in December, but has been opposed by hard-liners on both sides from the start and suffered repeated delays.

"We call on Libyans suffering from the fighting ... and the members of parliament to support the Government of National Accord, which will provide the framework to fight terrorism," Majbari said ...
 
And what do the neighbours think?

Tunisia:
Tunisia’s Foreign Minister, Khmais Al-Jihinawi, has renewed his country’s rejection of any kind of foreign intervention in Libya, saying that Tunisia is against any military action in Libya.

FM Al-Jihinawi added, in a joint press conference with his Iraqi counterpart, Ibrahim Al-Jaafari, that his country is trying its best to prevent an expected military action in Libya because they know that it won’t solve any conflict in there. He also emphasized on Tunisia’s support for the peaceful solution in Libya and the importance of the Arabic national security whether in the Arab Maghreb or in the Gulf.

“Libya has special case in the region, thus Tunisia and all of the neighbors plus the Arab League countries aim to push Libyans to reach a political solution among themselves, then form a government that takes place in Tripoli and assume responsibility ...
Algeria:
Algeria has been reinforcing military presence on the borderline with violence-ridden Libya amid potential foreign military operation against IS-linked groups, local media reported Wednesday.

Quoting a security source, Echorouk newspaper reported that army troops deployed on border with Libya have been put in alert and ordered to open fire on any armed individual attempting to enter the Algerian territory.

The source added that Army Chief of Staff, Major General Gaid Salah ordered to stiffen security around oil and gas plants to thwart any potential terror attack, similar to that of 2011 in In-Amenas gas plant, near Libyan border, which left more than 30 foreign workers dead.

Gaid Salah has also required to get constant reports on the situation on the border with Libya, in a bid to catch up with any security gap.

According to intelligence reports, Western troops are preparing to carry out military strikes against strongholds of rebel groups, which would force them to change their positions by sneaking to Algeria ...
:pop:
 
A bit more detail on this point ...
milnews.ca said:
... Kobler, a German diplomat appointed in November to head the UN‘s assistance mission in Libya, told dpa it was "important not to put the cart before the horse" with airstrikes at a delicate time.

In the long run, combating Islamic State jihadists will require not just bombs from the air but boots on the ground to recapture the towns and villages already under the group‘s control around Sirte along part of Libya‘s Mediterranean coast, he said.

"There needs to be troops available on the ground," Kobler said. "Airstrikes alone are no panacea."

The United States and other international powers have emphasized efforts to help the prospective Libyan unity government send troops of its own to prosecute the looming battle.

"The fight against the Islamic State group must be a Libyan fight," Kobler said ...
Now, his latest take speaking to the Associated Press:
The U.N. envoy to Libya is urging its parliament to endorse a unity government that can help combat a mushrooming Islamic State affiliate, he told The Associated Press on Wednesday, the fifth anniversary of the uprising that toppled Moammar Gadhafi and plunged the country into chaos.

"Every day lost in political dialogue is a day of gain of Daesh," Martin Kobler said in the interview, referring to the extremist group by its Arabic acronym. "There is chaos. There is anarchy in which Daesh expands."

Libya's internationally recognized government and parliament has convened in the far east since 2014, when Islamist-allied militias seized the capital, Tripoli, in support of rival authorities. The two competing parliaments are each backed by a loose array of militias and tribes.

The divisions have allowed IS to expand across the northern coast of the oil-rich North African country, which is just across the Mediterranean from Italy and has also become a major conduit for African migrants heading to Europe. IS controls the central city of Sirte and a number of oil installations, and has carried out attacks across the country.

President Barack Obama said Wednesday that the United States will continue to target IS in Libya after a raid last year killed a top commander.

But defeating the group will require a government with broad legitimacy and a unified army, and the international community can only lift an arms embargo once a unity government is in place ...
 
milnews.ca said:
More than just hints, now ...
((Globe & Mail)
(CTV)
(Toronto Star)
Pravda 1
(RIA Novosti, Russian state media) Pravda 2

But not CBC; can't be true.
 
It won't be a combat mission, but we will send in "advisors" to assist and train on the ground. Our non-combat fighters jets with non-combat bombs will destroy ground targets. It won't be a combat mission though and no one will be in any danger.  ::)
 
Map of ISIS in Libya

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https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/status/701134628007124992

Canadian intelligence role (CSE, CSIS, military) as for Iraq/Syria?

Fighting ISIS: Boosting Canadian Intelligence in-Theatre
https://cgai3ds.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/mark-collins-fighting-isis-boosting-canadian-intelligence-in-theatre

Mark
Ottawa
 
Ok so if we go into Libya, it would make sense to start in the Benghazi area, secure the port, the good thing about this mission is we won’t be stabbed in the back by the likes of Pakistan, Logistical costs will be significantly less than Afghanistan. The diplomatic front needs to be secured first, is the government going to work with such a mission and are able to stomach that government? If the answer is yes to those, start moving outwards from the “safe” areas, doing what we did in Afghanistan, SF starts to degrade the ISIS types, while we try to get the local police and army up to snuff and let them do most of the work and have our foreign affairs types attempt to keep the government from screwing over various groups. Egypt will likely support such a move, Tunisia not so much but could be easily bribed not to interfere. Likely the same for Algeria. Focus most of our efforts within 200km of the coast. The southern interior will not be easy and once the coast is secured the Libyans can start sorting out their own crap.  Repeat and rinse for the next 10 years… 
 
Colin P said:
Ok so if we go into Libya, it would make sense to start in the Benghazi area, secure the port, the good thing about this mission is we won’t be stabbed in the back by the likes of Pakistan, Logistical costs will be significantly less than Afghanistan. The diplomatic front needs to be secured first, is the government going to work with such a mission and are able to stomach that government? If the answer is yes to those, start moving outwards from the “safe” areas, doing what we did in Afghanistan, SF starts to degrade the ISIS types, while we try to get the local police and army up to snuff and let them do most of the work and have our foreign affairs types attempt to keep the government from screwing over various groups. Egypt will likely support such a move, Tunisia not so much but could be easily bribed not to interfere. Likely the same for Algeria. Focus most of our efforts within 200km of the coast. The southern interior will not be easy and once the coast is secured the Libyans can start sorting out their own crap.  Repeat and rinse for the next 10 years…

Good summation, especially the part about repeat and rinse for the next 10 years. (or more)
 
Without a common political and economic end game we will likely see our efforts wasted, yet again, in a cockeyed/ optimistic attempt to bring peace to Libya using a miltaty led approach.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Without a common political and economic end game we will likely see our efforts wasted, yet again, in a cockeyed/ optimistic attempt to bring peace to Libya using a miltaty led approach.


Oh, you're talking about one of those pesky "grand strategy" thingies ... I don't think that almost anyone has one: the Chinese probably do, but the rest of the world wouldn't like it, even if they did tell us what it was all about; the French usually do ~ and it usually brings the rest of us to a bad end; The Americans had one (several, actually) in the early 1940s, in the later '40s and through to, about, 1960 and, again, around 2000 when the Project for the New American Century scared the bejeezus out of almost everyone; the Brits had one, too, up until about 1900, but they forgot it, because everyone was preoccupied with the trivial, indeed nonsensical Irish Home Rule question, and the result was the First World War ~ from the scourge of which (and that of its 20 year old "son") the UN was founded to save us all.  ::)

The thing about a grand strategy is that no one, except you, has to like yours but everyone really ought to have one ... to remind yourself, at least, about what it is that you need to do about, in concert with with, occasionally for and, now and again even to all the other countries in the world as you promote and protect your own, national vital interests.

There was, for one brief, shining moment, a notion that the UN might provide a global grand strategy for keeping the peace ... and Dr Ralph Bunche, an American, and Sir Brian Urquhart, a Brit, actually developed one in the late 1940s, when they (not Mike Pearson ... sorry boys and girls, but your school teachers and professors are, mostly (Army.ca members excepted), dimwits, and most of you, being somewhat dimmer, believed them  :tsktsk: ) invented peacekeeping. But that didn't last long because Russia had a grand strategy, too ...

Anyways, the UNSC cannot thing strategically if it can think at all; Russia has a strategy, but it's not very grand, being exemplified by low, peasant cunning rather than rational self interest; America is adrift; the EU is anything but united and that leaves ... China and Da'esh/ISIL/ISIS, I guess.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Oh, you're talking about one of those pesky "grand strategy" thingies ... I don't think that almost anyone has one: the Chinese probably do, but the rest of the world wouldn't like it, even if they did tell us what it was all about; the French usually do ~ and it usually brings the rest of us to a bad end; The Americans had one (several, actually) in the early 1940s, in the later '40s and through to, about, 1960 and, again, around 2000 when the Project for the New American Century scared the bejeezus out of almost everyone; the Brits had one, too, up until about 1900, but they forgot it, because everyone was preoccupied with the trivial, indeed nonsensical Irish Home Rule question, and the result was the First World War ~ from the scourge of which (and that of its 20 year old "son") the UN was founded to save us all.  ::)

The thing about a grand strategy is that no one, except you, has to like yours but everyone really ought to have one ... to remind yourself, at least, about what it is that you need to do about, in concert with with, occasionally for and, now and again even to all the other countries in the world as you promote and protect your own, national vital interests.

There was, for one brief, shining moment, a notion that the UN might provide a global grand strategy for keeping the peace ... and Dr Ralph Bunche, an American, and Sir Brian Urquhart, a Brit, actually developed one in the late 1940s, when they (not Mike Pearson ... sorry boys and girls, but your school teachers and professors are, mostly (Army.ca members excepted), dimwits, and most of you, being somewhat dimmer, believed them  :tsktsk: ) invented peacekeeping. But that didn't last long because Russia had a grand strategy, too ...

Anyways, the UNSC cannot thing strategically if it can think at all; Russia has a strategy, but it's not very grand, being exemplified by low, peasant cunning rather than rational self interest; America is adrift; the EU is anything but united and that leaves ... China and Da'esh/ISIL/ISIS, I guess.

In the absence of a coherent higher level plan (e.g., 'Germany First')  think we have, sadly, been sucked into the Grand Strategy of 'scalp taking' and 'body counts', which, of course, is doomed to failure.
 
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