2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[mariomike]

And apparently knew how to work a room.

Yeah but 6?

A high bar. But, doable.

Before paying a survivor benefit to a spouse, OMERS is required under applicable laws to confirm that a member was not living separate and apart from their spouse at the relevant time.

Defines "spouse" as "A couple who live together in a committed relationship - without being legally married."

Goes on to say,

Sometimes spouses can live separately and still be considered “living together” as spouses. For example, if one spouse lives in a nursing home due to deteriorating health

The Toronto Police Pensioners Association represents over 4,000 retired members.

Presumably, a percentage are likely in nursing homes operated by the city, hospitals, non-profit orgnizations, public and private companies, and culturally specific facilities.

Our pensioner group informs retired members, and surviving spouses, of members admitted to nursing homes. Presumably, municipal police pensioner associations do likewise?

She could make the rounds, and have a few extra frail ones on deck at time of need.

I’d love to see any kid(s) of ours consider ROTP. Still a tough deal to beat, and a great safety net to start with.

My sister did a CT to the Regular Force as an NCM. Later, they sent her to Royal Roads University, and, eventually, got her Commission.

CAF was her first, and last, employer.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Which we know, by informing ourselves of the result of Canadian Parliament’s Vote on Bill C-35, Child Care, vote #385 on June 19, 2023, to be factually wrong. Essentially, the Liberal ad LIED to Canadians, but hey, some voters will believe the “I heard he [Poilievre] voted against child day care… “ Clearly Ms. Liberal Canadian portrayed in the ad heard wrong.

The facts are that 100% of Conservatives, all 110/110 voted for the Child Care legislation.

Ironically, not all Liberal MPs voted for it. 98.7% of Liberals voted YEA, 151/153. Two Liberal MPs paired their votes with Bloq Quebecois members who did not vote.
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I was looking for something else, and found out that while you're right (good digging BTW), this is only part of the story.

When the $10/day child care measures were part of the 2021 budget, Team Blue (including the coach) did, indeed, vote against them ...

... but even the generally-pro-Team-Red Toronto Star, in 2023, had to give credit where due when Team Blue, as you correctly pointed out, voted for the bill enabling the funding for child care, including the $10/day.

Tories vote in favour of bill enshrining long-term funding for child-care system

OTTAWA - Conservative members of Parliament joined other parties to vote in favour of a bill that enshrines the federal government’s long-term commitment to a Canada-wide early learning and child-care system.

www.thestar.com

Also archived here if link doesn't work.

A tidy little lesson in political comms. To draw an oversimplified legal analogy, the "they voted against child care" could be considered the prosecution's position, with "they voted for the money to make child care happen" representing the defence's position.

Are they both correct in and of themselves? Yup

Are they both fully correct? Nope.

Which is the "lie" and which is the "truth", then? In the eye of the beholder ....

 

[Good2Golf]

When the $10/day child care measures were part of the 2021 budget, Team Blue (including the coach) did, indeed, vote against them ...

Yup. Which was the Liberal government with classic bill packaging.

The Conservatives voted against Bill C-30 in 2021 because of the very poorly unsubstantiated $90B deficit…

Archived - Annual Financial Report of the Government of Canada Fiscal Year 2021-2022 - Canada.ca

Annual Financial Report of the Government of Canada Fiscal Year 2021-2022

www.canada.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

Yup. Which was the Liberal government with classic bill packaging.

The Conservatives voted against Bill C-30 in 2021 because of the very poorly unsubstantiated $90B deficit…

Archived - Annual Financial Report of the Government of Canada Fiscal Year 2021-2022 - Canada.ca

Annual Financial Report of the Government of Canada Fiscal Year 2021-2022

www.canada.ca

All “true” but just as “true” as “they voted against day care” or “they voted against a Ukrainian trade deal”. Why & context matters, for sure, but doesn’t make it into the headlines, memes or bumper stickers.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Yup. Which was the Liberal government with classic bill packaging.

To be fair all democratic governments and parties are guilty of this practice.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Sharper than a serpent's tooth, this (also archived here)

Old-style being civil across the aisle, here's the door and here's your hat, what's your hurry?

In case you don't know who Jenni Byrne is:

Jenni Byrne - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jenni Byrne + Associates | Government and Public Relations | Toronto

Jenni Byrne, a political veteran, made history at 34 as the first woman to lead a majority government, managing Stephen Harper's 2011 campaign.

jennibyrne.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

WOW ! What a ...( Acting on the advice of lawyers..) ...um interesting person.
One more reason for me not to vote Conservative. More and more it looks like I'm going to have to spoil my Ballot.
Decidedly unimpressed.

 

[Remius]

She’s taking a lot of flak online and it seems like someone may be airing some dirty laundry about her…

I’m not sure this will get much traction as this looks limited to the Xspere.

 

[FSTO]

She’s the attack dog’s attack dog. Take no prisoners type.
But man she did not have to go there.

 

[dimsum]

She’s taking a lot of flak online and it seems like someone may be airing some dirty laundry about her…

I’m not sure this will get much traction as this looks limited to the Xspere.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it spread to other platforms and then the media.

 

[GK .Dundas]

The difference between a 20 dollar crack whore and a political attack dog . ... is that there are some things that a crack whore won't do.

 

[The Bread Guy]

She’s the attack dog’s attack dog. Take no prisoners type.
But man she did not have to go there.

She's fiercely loyal and hyper-partisan, but I have to agree that there may have been a better "how it was done."

She’s taking a lot of flak online and it seems like someone may be airing some dirty laundry about her…

There was a bit out there over the past year about her lobbying firm ....

Trudeau says Poilievre aide lobbied for Loblaw. Tories call that ‘pathetic’ - National | Globalnews.ca

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Pierre Poilievre owes Canadians an explanation. The Conservative leader's office says that's 'laughable.'

globalnews.ca

Poilievre adviser’s staff established second lobbying firm working from the same office

Jenni Byrne + Associates does not do federal lobbying, but many of its staff also work at Forecheck Strategies which does

www.theglobeandmail.com

(Globe article also archived here if link doesn't work)
... and there might be the "she & PP were once an item" thing, but that's been in the public domain at least since this book was published earlier this year - with Byrne quoted in it -- which hasn't been rebutted as far as I've seen ....

Same book says it was months after the break up that PP met his now wife of 7 years, so I'm prepared to believe that PP's not stupid enough (nor Byrne, for that matter) to be thinking with his smaller head, especially on the road to PM-dom.

I’m not sure this will get much traction as this looks limited to the Xspere.

Like a lot of this stuff, I suspect it wouldn't budge the needle all that much. Haters're going to continue to take the worst possible view (even if it wasn't her file, if her company was lobbying, the buck stops with her), boosters're going to dismiss it completely (one of her staffers did the heavy lifting on the file, so she herself wasn't really lobbying).

 

[ArmyRick]

Is there really a big deal with all this? Honestly? Most Canadians will think "Don't give a fuck about this, Liberals out now!"

 

[ArmyRick]

One more reason for me not to vote Conservative. More and more it looks like I'm going to have to spoil my Ballot.

Lets be honest, you probably weren't gonna vote conservative anyways, were ya?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Is there really a big deal with all this? Honestly? Most Canadians will think "Don't give a fuck about this, Liberals out now!"

Big P politically, no. I think some folks feel she may have been a bit harsh against someone (a former leader & cabinet minister, as well as a still-sitting MP in caucus) who was just wishing the best to someone across the aisle who's leaving, but as I said earlier, I don't think this'll budge the needles all that much overall.

As someone of a certain age myself, I'm kinda disappointed at the vitriol over being civil - and that goes for all sides, not just this case.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Lets be honest, you probably weren't gonna vote conservative anyways, were ya?

Actually I used to consistently vote Conservative.
And had Erin O'Toole still been the Leader I might have voted for them .

 

[ArmyRick]

As someone of a certain age myself, I'm kinda disappointed at the vitriol over being civil - and that goes for all sides, not just this case.

I get what your saying. I said much earlier, its now the Wild West in Canadian federal politics.

 

[ArmyRick]

Actually I used to consistently vote Conservative.
And had Erin O'Toole still been the Leader I might have voted for them .

So, one staffer with shitty opinions and now your not going to vote for Pierre? Wow, doesn't take much to lose your support.

I challenge you to look past the rhetoric and bullshit of ALL parties and look at what they are proposing to run the nation.

Do that and the only viable choice outside Quebec is the conservatives. For Quebec, at this time, I totally understood why many of them are leaning towards Bloc (which wasn't much of an issue with Harper's tenure).

 

[The Bread Guy]

So, one staffer with shitty opinions ...

It's one thing if it was just "one staffer", but this is PP's Katie Telford, his strategy boss, speaking about a former party leader, cabinet minister & still-member of caucus. It likely won't nudge the debate or the voting preferences, but it's a big tell re: how the "tribe" deals with those no longer part of the inner circle.

I get what your saying. I said much earlier, its now the Wild West in Canadian federal politics.

200% - for better or worse.

 

[suffolkowner]

It's one thing if it was just "one staffer", but this is PP's Katie Telford, his strategy boss, speaking about a former party leader, cabinet minister & still-member of caucus. It likely won't nudge the debate or the voting preferences, but it's a big tell re: how the "tribe" deals with those no longer part of the inner circle.

200% - for better or worse.

its not just one staffer either. And Jennie Byrne is a lot more than PP's Katie Telford