2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[brihard]

Rumours for now but it would make sense.

It is Kinsella but he makes a good point given what is happening.

I am sure he will do exactly what he will do.

A snap election would make sense, would be the most respectful to the voters, and would put the kibosh to some of the fringe fear mongering that’s been going on. It’s reasonable for Carney to seek a mandate from the voters both individually and as a party. Assuming the shortest allowable election period, that would send us to the polls presumably mid April were he to call it within days of being elected leader.

It also has the pragmatic benefit (to the Liberals) of cutting short the time in which the CPC can spend money on marketing unconstrained by election spending regulations.

 

[Remius]

A snap election would make sense, would be the most respectful to the voters, and would put the kibosh to some of the fringe fear mongering that’s been going on. It’s reasonable for Carney to seek a mandate from the voters both individually and as a party. Assuming the shortest allowable election period, that would send us to the polls presumably mid April were he to call it within days of being elected leader.

It also has the pragmatic benefit (to the Liberals) of cutting short the time in which the CPC can spend money on marketing unconstrained by election spending regulations.

And Carney would avoid the same mistakes Turner and Campbell made by trying to govern for a period.

 

[ArmyRick]

A snap election would make sense

FRom what I heard from the political commentators (many of them) is Carney has momentum right now and they may really want to capitalize on that ASAP. This would keep the NDP down and it would be a head to head battle with Pierre.

 

[brihard]

FRom what I heard from the political commentators (many of them) is Carney has momentum right now and they may really want to capitalize on that ASAP. This would keep the NDP down and it would be a head to head battle with Pierre.

I agree. And if Carney were to take the seat and sit in it for long without being seen to earn a spot in Parliament or to be democratically granted a mandate, that would piss people off.

This balances against the inconvenience of not having a sitting Parliament, however it would only add another three or so weeks to that, and as we’re seeing, most of the necessary action is executive, not legislative at the moment.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Having the hammer in Parliament, but not being allowed in to swing it would be bad for him. Especially if the proroguing is found to have been, mmmm, wrongly called.

If anything, it'll take the single bargaining chip/ blackmail hype away from Singh. No more holding Canada hostage for his own self interests. It won't help him dodge the hypocrisy of his past no confidence shenanigans though.



Off to the Mess to mug out a couple of retired Brothers. I'll try stay away from the keyboard when I get back.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We don't want elected judges, bad outcomes from that in my view.

We need better written and more clearer laws. Thats up to politicians.

Then we need some form of recourse when judges release violent offenders back into the community only to do harm again.

I want my judiciary and legal system erring on the side of the peaceful populace, not the criminal.

A snap election would make sense, would be the most respectful to the voters, and would put the kibosh to some of the fringe fear mongering that’s been going on. It’s reasonable for Carney to seek a mandate from the voters both individually and as a party. Assuming the shortest allowable election period, that would send us to the polls presumably mid April were he to call it within days of being elected leader.

It also has the pragmatic benefit (to the Liberals) of cutting short the time in which the CPC can spend money on marketing unconstrained by election spending regulations.

Agreed. What ever the outcome what this nation needs is an election and a fresh start.

My fear is it will be a minority and it will accomplish nothing.

 

[suffolkowner]

Then we need some form of recourse when judges release violent offenders back into the community only to do harm again.

I want my judiciary and legal system erring on the side of the peaceful populace, not the criminal.



Agreed. What ever the outcome what this nation needs is an election and a fresh start.

My fear is it will be a minority and it will accomplish nothing.

id be curious to see some numbers on the offender situation. It certainly feels like a problem

the one problem with an election is the whole caretaker government thing. Whats the shortest election period?

 

[brihard]

id be curious to see some numbers on the offender situation. It certainly feels like a problem

the one problem with an election is the whole caretaker government thing. Whats the shortest election period?

37 days. The caretaker period concerns me as well but it may be the least bad option. Trump’s economic attacks on Canada will not be a short and temporary thing. Waiting for an election won’t mean we get to have one while that’s out of the picture.

 

[QV]

Carney said he’d consider postponing an election to deal with Trump’s tariffs. I didnt catch for how long.

 

[Remius]

Carney may call election after leadership race concludes; pledges to balance spending within three years

Carney signalled Thursday he is willing to go to a general election before returning to Parliament at the end of March, should he become Liberal leader.

nationalpost.com

This accomplishes a few things including the opposition’s ability to defeat the sitting government.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm not writing off an upset in the LPC leadership campaign.

I don't trust the LPC to be honest about the outcome, but they may not have a choice. I have a suspicion that a 5th column has infiltrated deep into that party now.

 

[Quirky]

I'm not writing off an upset in the LPC leadership campaign.

I don't trust the LPC to be honest about the outcome, but they may not have a choice. I have a suspicion that a 5th column has infiltrated deep into that party now.

Liberals won’t let anyone but carney lead, this liberal leadership race is a formality. The media is pushing Carney hard, you hardly see the other candidates get mentioned, or PP for that matter. This has the same hallmarks of Harris.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Liberals won’t let anyone but carney lead, this liberal leadership race is a formality. The media is pushing Carney hard, you hardly see the other candidates get mentioned, or PP for that matter. This has the same hallmarks of Harris.

I share your views. But I have this gut feeling there are a lot of people like me joined the LPC in Jan.

 

[Good2Golf]

I share your views. But I have this gut feeling there are a lot of people like me joined the LPC in Jan.

To vote for Ruby, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

To vote for Ruby, right?

As of right now, yes.

 

[The Bread Guy]

FRom what I heard from the political commentators (many of them) is Carney has momentum right now and they may really want to capitalize on that ASAP. This would keep the NDP down and it would be a head to head battle with Pierre.

A lot of the commentariat also say at this point, some on MC's team would like to see him govern even a bit so he's less of an unknown when the writ is dropped. That said, lotta political arm twisting toward going right away too.

Meanwhile, Team Blue huddle coming up.

Conservative caucus meets in Ottawa as poll numbers slump and Trump's threats loom

OTTAWA - Conservative MPs will meet on Parliament Hill this morning for the first time since December, returning to a much different political landscape than the one they left at

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Latest snapshot from 338canada.com for reference (as of last Sunday according to the site).

Canada polls | 338Canada

338canada.com

 

[Remius]

Liberals won’t let anyone but carney lead, this liberal leadership race is a formality. The media is pushing Carney hard, you hardly see the other candidates get mentioned, or PP for that matter. This has the same hallmarks of Harris.

Kind of like what happened with PP. the game was rigged. Closer to that than Harris.

 

[Good2Golf]

Kind of like what happened with PP. the game was rigged. Closer to that than Harris.

It’s like Peter Mackay was screwed by Reform/Alliance twice…1st) Harper’s broken deal and 2nd) the CPC leadership jig…

 

[Remius]

So good post on X from PP. May be a preview of things to come.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890185595038888173

But…

I don’t have X but talk radio was saying that some of the comments from his base are not very kind to his position.

A delicate dance he is now going to have to play between his base and the rest of the electorate he needs to convince.

 

[RangerRay]

I know it's faux pas in the great white north, but I would like to see judges be elected.

I understand the appeal, but the judiciary is politicized enough, IMHO. Elected judges will care more about getting re-elected than applying the law as un-biased as possible.

I'd settle even for just an elected SCC.

See above. I agree that they are not the all-wise saints they are often portrayed as, but electing them would make things worse, IMHO.

Incidentally, I also think the senate also needs to be elected or done away with.

Agree with the first. Strongly disagree with the second, although I acknowledge as currently constituted, it’s unfit for purpose. Our country is too big and diverse for a unicameral legislature. Actually, I’d go one step further and suggest provinces should have upper houses (EEE of course) as well.

I understand these aren't universally supported positions.