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2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux
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Halifax Tar
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There, FTFY
To be fair Alberta, Sask and Manitoba seem to be pretty good buddies these days.
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And many don’t really consider B.C. to be “The West”…it’s more like some Shangri-La detached from the reality that the rest of Canada deals with.
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And many don’t really consider B.C. to be “The West”…it’s more like some Shangri-La detached from the reality that the rest of Canada deals with.
Ugh BC...
A little hard to find recent numbers (I will see if I can find some) but this article discusses the numbers as of last July.
Alberta and Quebec most likely to support separation from Canada: poll
51 per cent of survey respondents said a new prime minister would improve life in their province
www.pentictonwesternnews.com
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How much of that is a result of influence ops?
I think the CPC is able to gather enough votes to form a majority government, the LPC can go pound sand.
In theory, that's how our style of democracy works. It's one thing to form a minority government, and even that can be seen as the least favorable form of government to have it has to rely on another of the parties just to form that.
But if enough voters for a party in that they form a majority government, that is also the voters telling the other main parties to go pound sand for a few years & come back with something different that may be more appealing.
If the LPC causes enough disruption that the newly formed government can't operate efficiently, especially when that government will be focused on fixing all of the problems the LPC caused in the first place - I think the LPC runs a very real risk of talking itself out of any real relevance for the foreseeable future.
I think most loyal Liberal voters are awake & aware of everything the current LPC has done & is trying to do, and are ready for someone else to be at the helm.
If the LPC causes significant disruption once voted out of office with Trudeau & Freeland still at the helm, it will just multiply the magnitude in which they fall out of favour
In theory, that's how our style of democracy works. It's one thing to form a minority government, and even that can be seen as the least favorable form of government to have it has to rely on another of the parties just to form that.
But if enough voters for a party in that they form a majority government, that is also the voters telling the other main parties to go pound sand for a few years & come back with something different that may be more appealing.
If the LPC causes enough disruption that the newly formed government can't operate efficiently, especially when that government will be focused on fixing all of the problems the LPC caused in the first place - I think the LPC runs a very real risk of talking itself out of any real relevance for the foreseeable future.
I think most loyal Liberal voters are awake & aware of everything the current LPC has done & is trying to do, and are ready for someone else to be at the helm.
If the LPC causes significant disruption once voted out of office with Trudeau & Freeland still at the helm, it will just multiply the magnitude in which they fall out of favour
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I take that as a more responsible and forward thinking attitude. Otherwise it comes across as excuse-making.
Move forward with a vision and focus on the future - not try to reimagine failures in the past. Learn the lessons, adapt to them and move forward giving a viable alternative to a stale, ethically-challenged/led government.
Except he is on record as saying he did not question the outcome. It was a direct answer flat out. His stock went up with me a notch when he took that route.
With that said, the CPC with Pierre at the helm has become a very effective opposition.
Or at least seems more effective than they were with O'Toole at the helm.
(Maybe it's just their social media game that's been helping with that perception also, as there are a few YouTube channels with fairly short videos that have become quite popular)
They need to move from showing that to showing they can govern. I think that is where they may be struggling to make headway.
Maybe. I thought O’Toole was effective enough but he floundered on the campaign. His flip flop on a few things didn’t help.
The CPC has been very good at using social media. Probably more than anyone else in Canadian Political history. I would be interested in the reach it has. A case study in that to be sure.
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No one can say anything against PP's social media game. It's pretty much unprecedented and his leadership drive showed that.
That being said, he's got an easier slate of issues to be in effective opposition to than O'Toole did.
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PP is very good at boiling down complex issues to a soundbite that clicks with average people. He is also good at sidestepping boobytraps laid by the Liberals.
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None of that matters if, like O'Toole, he is unable to maintain party discipline, presenting a united front and singular vision while also reigning in the 'out there" far right candidates who are more philosophically aligned with the CPC victory spoiler, Mad Max.
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So separatism statistically ex aequo in Alberta and Quebec.A little hard to find recent numbers (I will see if I can find some) but this article discusses the numbers as of last July.
Alberta and Quebec most likely to support separation from Canada: poll
51 per cent of survey respondents said a new prime minister would improve life in their province
Oddly enough, I think if one simply didn't exist, the other would be less likely to want to separate. Yet if one did separate, I think it would embolden the other to separate as well.
Sadly the nature of electoral politics is such that they really won't do that till an election comes around and they present a campaign platform.
Pretty much. But nowhere near Quebec separatism at its height.
Possibly yes.
To an extent. And I agree that campaigns matter. But even still, presenting some alternatives earlier on can still set the stage. Right now it’s just sound bites and slogans. A few ideas but not a lot of details. I think it benefits them more if they can show they are the adults in the room.
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Ya I think a coalition government keeping a CPC minority from forming would probably be an extreme for multiplier in that.
And I can't blame them if they did. We lack appropriate representation.
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Everybody wants to separate until they see what territory falls under FN claims or actual territory, and realize they would lose most of the natural resources or actually get divided up into separate chunks.A little hard to find recent numbers (I will see if I can find some) but this article discusses the numbers as of last July.
Alberta and Quebec most likely to support separation from Canada: poll
51 per cent of survey respondents said a new prime minister would improve life in their province
It's an attractive idea until you look at the reality. Was funny during the 90s listening to QC calling themselves a nation, wanting to separate from Canada, but ignoring the First Nation territories inside QC, and claimiing QC is somehow indivisible.
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I don't think you give enough credit to people who just want to blow shit up.
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