2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[MilEME09]

This is the same RCMP that is already doing the classifications. The same one that is in charge of the ever expanding, unscientific, gratuitous firearms prohibitions. The same RCMP that has been prohibiting hunting rifles and shotguns based on looks.

Even though the law reads:

Classifying firearms​

A firearm is classified based on criteria in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code and corresponding regulations made by Orders in Council. Only Parliament and the Governor in Council can change classification criteria.

The press release is that they will legislate that it will be the RCMP doing it

 

[IKnowNothing]

Read the man. He is not a confrontational kind of guy AT ALL. He does not have spine for that. God forbid he gets elected, Trump will own him and make him his bitch.

Yeah, he's just stepped on an elevator and risen to the pinnacle of every organization he's been in by not be able to handle himself in a boardroom.

Question his ties to China.
Question whether he can temper his climate zealotry to match what Canada needs in this moment.
Question whether he really believes in pivot to the centre he's been showing or if it's sham.
Question whether he can pull it off without ceding too much to the far left element of the party.

All good questions.

Questioning his intelligence and competence at operating at the highest levels of the corporate and international world? Partisan childishness and /or willful ignorance.

 

[Remius]

And I just learned both Nanos and EKOS received over $200,000+ last year from our federal government. Mmmm, might explain why the polls are ALL over the place. Not to mention the new pollsters that suddenly showed up for this election.

Polls aren’t all over the place. They’ve all been fairly consistent. There are some outliers but that’s about it. Go to 338. You a see how each poll is rated for methodology etc. A+ polls aren’t the ones to really dive into. Also, pollsters like Nanos get commissioned by all sorts of organizations including political parties like the CPC.

I hope you folks supporting Liberals are NOT pinning your hopes on the polls, the one sided biased coverage of CBC, CTV and Global?

I don’t see anyone pinning any hopes on polls. They just give a good snapshot of the moment. If you don’t think the parties like the CPC aren’t watching the polls think again.

And not sure what is one sided in the coverage. The CPC has one of tightest controlled media plan of all parties. Maybe that is the problem.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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[Fishbone Jones]

The press release is that they will legislate that it will be the RCMP doing it

The RCMP are already doing it. And have been doing it since trudeau came to power.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney says he never heard of pro-Beijing group despite photos with its leaders​

Liberal Leader Mark Carney says he had never heard of a pro-Beijing lobby group in the Toronto area despite photos on the Jiangsu Commerce Council of Canada’s website showing him with members of its leadership.

#IStillTrustHim

 

[Maxman1]

I’d say the CPC is center slightly right. But my mother who has never voted Liberal in her life isn’t voting CPC this election and is voting Liberal due to fear of PP being like Trumpster

Slightly right by Canadian standards. They're in line with the Democrats.

I think Ed Broadbent even called Poilievre a commie a few years ago.

 

[Remius]

I've said all along that polls can't be trusted. Yet for some, it appears it's the only criteria they use to pick who they vote for.

I have my criteria and it isn’t the polls. I find they make for a good play play of how the whole campaign is going.

You want the money to keep flowing? You give the results the person paying, wants.

If that was the case they’d be called out by the CPC but they are also paying them for their internal polling. All you have to focus see how campaigns pivot and change in reaction to the polls.

 

[Remius]

Trump hated Trudeau and still hates the Liberals, as do the CPC to me is slightly ideologically closer to 47 and thus would be better positioned to deal with in a friendlier manner.

The CPC much more ideologically aligned with Democrats.l. Remember trump said PP is not a maga guy . But that answer is why a lot of Canadians would rather Carney deal with him not PP.

But what was JT other then a figurehead

I don’t know. Some think it was all him and others don’t. Depends on the mood I guess.

I’d say the CPC is center slightly right. But my mother who has never voted Liberal in her life isn’t voting CPC this election and is voting Liberal due to fear of PP being like Trumpster

They dumped the last guy for being to centrist. The picked PP. while yes in essence they are center right they have a far right element that was catered to at the expense of red Tories. A group they are losing it would seem this time around to the liberals.

Is he like Trump? I don’t personally think so. But he sure sounds like him a lot and has some similar populist policies.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Carney says he never heard of pro-Beijing group despite photos with its leaders​

This is who Peter Yuen really is.

Liberal candidate who replaced Chiang sang patriotic communist Chinese anthem​

Liberal candidate who replaced Chiang sang patriotic communist Chinese anthem

The Liberal candidate picked to replace disgraced Liberal MP Paul Chiang in Markham–Unionville was videotaped singing a patriotic Chinese communist anthem and was a board member of a private school flagged in Canada's recent foreign interference inquiry. The Liberals nominated former Toronto Poli

truenorthwire.com

Yuen also joined the board of NOIC Academy in 2024, a private school flagged by Canada’s independent investigation into foreign interference, the Hogue Commission. NOIC Academy was cited by intelligence reports for suspected election meddling concerns.

The intelligence reports suggested that the Toronto Chinese Consulate pressured students by threatening their families in China if they didn’t vote for a preferred candidate in Don Valley North, the riding of Hong Kong dissident and Conservative candidate Joe Tay.

Concerning China ties mount for Liberal candidate Peter Yuen​

Concerning China ties mount for Liberal candidate Peter Yuen

Liberal candidate for Markham–Unionville, Peter Yuen, has deflected questions about his past affiliations with pro-China organizations. The Liberals handpicked the former Toronto deputy police chief to replace disgraced Liberal MP Paul Chiang as their candidate in the riding after Chiang called f

truenorthwire.com

He was also listed as an honorary director of the Jiangsu Commerce Council of Canada, an organization with ties to Beijing’s United Front foreign interference campaign, which the Canadian government has identified as a vehicle for China’s influence abroad

 

[MilEME09]

The RCMP are already doing it. And have been doing it since trudeau came to power.

you and I both know those OICs say otherwise

 

[MrWhyt]

If that was the case they’d be called out by the CPC but they are also paying them for their internal polling.

The idea that polls are only telling campaigns what they want to hear is such bullshit. campaigns use polls to make strategic decisions, If a company is consistently wrong because they're massaging the numbers to make their customers feel better they're going to run out of customers.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Required reading for anyone looking to understand the CPC dynamics of this election cycle.

https://macleans.ca/longforms/jenni-byrnes-big-gamble/

Edit to add commentary: if the CPC loses this election- blame the ambition and ideological rigidity of Poilievre and Byrne.

 

[Lumber]

This is who Peter Yuen really is.

Liberal candidate who replaced Chiang sang patriotic communist Chinese anthem​

Liberal candidate who replaced Chiang sang patriotic communist Chinese anthem

The Liberal candidate picked to replace disgraced Liberal MP Paul Chiang in Markham–Unionville was videotaped singing a patriotic Chinese communist anthem and was a board member of a private school flagged in Canada's recent foreign interference inquiry. The Liberals nominated former Toronto Poli

truenorthwire.com

Yuen also joined the board of NOIC Academy in 2024, a private school flagged by Canada’s independent investigation into foreign interference, the Hogue Commission. NOIC Academy was cited by intelligence reports for suspected election meddling concerns.

The intelligence reports suggested that the Toronto Chinese Consulate pressured students by threatening their families in China if they didn’t vote for a preferred candidate in Don Valley North, the riding of Hong Kong dissident and Conservative candidate Joe Tay.

Concerning China ties mount for Liberal candidate Peter Yuen​

Concerning China ties mount for Liberal candidate Peter Yuen

Liberal candidate for Markham–Unionville, Peter Yuen, has deflected questions about his past affiliations with pro-China organizations. The Liberals handpicked the former Toronto deputy police chief to replace disgraced Liberal MP Paul Chiang as their candidate in the riding after Chiang called f

truenorthwire.com

He was also listed as an honorary director of the Jiangsu Commerce Council of Canada, an organization with ties to Beijing’s United Front foreign interference campaign, which the Canadian government has identified as a vehicle for China’s influence abroad

What, the actual, fuck.

 

[KevinB]

The CPC much more ideologically aligned with Democrats.l. Remember trump said PP is not a maga guy . But that answer is why a lot of Canadians would rather Carney deal with him not PP.

Fair, while I agree with the comment about the Democrats and CPC, the Liberals and NDP are much further away from the MAGA cult than the CPC.

I don’t know. Some think it was all him and others don’t. Depends on the mood I guess.

Ack

They dumped the last guy for being to centrist. The picked PP. while yes in essence they are center right they have a far right element that was catered to at the expense of red Tories. A group they are losing it would seem this time around to the liberals.

Yeah I can’t figure that one out. However it sort of mirrors what the MAGA group did to the Republican Party.

Is he like Trump? I don’t personally think so. But he sure sounds like him a lot and has some similar populist policies.

I guess my biggest question is who would be the best for Canada in dealing with 47.

Nationalist rhetoric goes so far, but I think Carney’s Liberals will sink Canada in the long run and create a larger rift.

 

[KevinB]

you and I both know those OICs say otherwise

OIC’s but the RCMP has thrown the Canadian gun owner to the wolves on a number of occasions.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

you and I both know those OICs say otherwise

What I do know is that it's the RCMP lab that defines what firearms are designated as prohibited. The government might sign off on the decision, but the RCMP lab are the ones that decide what's what.

When a new firearm comes on the market, it goes to the RCMP lab. They run tests and determine the classification. They let the government know what the classification is and the government adds it to the list based on the RCMP input and recommendation. The RCMP also decide whether that firearm passes muster to enter Canada.

The government signs a piece of paper. The RCMP decide what the classification is.

 

[suffolkowner]

Trump hated Trudeau and still hates the Liberals, as do the CPC to me is slightly ideologically closer to 47 and thus would be better positioned to deal with in a friendlier manner.

but can they deal with him better is the question. I think Premier Smith has done a lot of damage to the CPC campaign here and amplified voter concerns that PP would cut a deal with Trump in spite of the best interests of Canada. Anyone can make a deal. Should they?

But what was JT other then a figurehead

it all runs through the PMO. Does the PMO run the PM or does the PM run the PMO? Was Harper a figurehead? Trudeaus PMO was probably as closely knit group of individuals with history as weve ever seen so in Trudeaus case i think its just a group of highly aligned views

I’d say the CPC is center slightly right. But my mother who has never voted Liberal in her life isn’t voting CPC this election and is voting Liberal due to fear of PP being like Trumpster

I’m Americanized.

 

[suffolkowner]

Required reading for anyone looking to understand the CPC dynamics of this election cycle.

https://macleans.ca/longforms/jenni-byrnes-big-gamble/

Shes got a couple of weeks to pull it together. Best hope for a good debate from PP and a bad one from Carney

 

[Eaglelord17]

Carney on guns, the only thing I like is saying the RCMP should be the ones classifying, but the damage is already done. If he truely believes that, he needs to revoke every OIC ban then just say "The RCMP will review their classification"

Can't revoke any OIC ban anymore, it needs a complete legislation change now.

This is the same RCMP that is already doing the classifications. The same one that is in charge of the ever expanding, unscientific, gratuitous firearms prohibitions. The same RCMP that has been prohibiting hunting rifles and shotguns based on looks.

Even though the law reads:

Classifying firearms​

A firearm is classified based on criteria in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code and corresponding regulations made by Orders in Council. Only Parliament and the Governor in Council can change classification criteria.

The RCMP is simply determining where a firearm falls based off the criteria set out in the criminal code. Who do you think should be doing it if not the RCMP? Someone has to and they do it in a scientific method. The issue is the politicians taking the data they generate and using it against us. They also aren't changing classification criteria, they are properly assigning firearms to where they should belong according to our laws. That isn't changing the criteria, that is accurately applying it.

What I do know is that it's the RCMP lab that defines what firearms are designated as prohibited. The government might sign off on the decision, but the RCMP lab are the ones that decide what's what.

When a new firearm comes on the market, it goes to the RCMP lab. They run tests and determine the classification. They let the government know what the classification is and the government adds it to the list based on the RCMP input and recommendation. The RCMP also decide whether that firearm passes muster to enter Canada.

The government signs a piece of paper. The RCMP decide what the classification is.

The RCMP are the firearms experts in applying the criteria of the law. The issue isn't the RCMP doing their jobs, it is the poorly written laws which allow the prohibition of firearms not based off physical criteria rather a OIC and variant clause. If the politicians ask them to list say all semi-automatics with the following features, do you a) do as your told, or b) not do your job?

Figuring out where a firearm falls based off our Non-Restricted, Restricted, and Prohibited (excluding prohibited by name) is easy. When the OICs and the broad definition (or lack there of) of variant comes in is where it becomes difficult, especially when they poorly word such things as energy restrictions (which can vary depending on the ammo used), caliber restrictions, etc.