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2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

You just don't know much about their holdings do you? You also haven't followed the news on these products either or special interests. This is not a singular suspicion on my part. Many people are aware of how slippery he is when it comes to his fortune. Still no financial disclosure three days from the election. Whether he has time left to disclose or not, an honest candidate would still put it out there, because that's what voters want. He's supposed to be the world's financial whiz kid, he should have his own finances at hand. However, he's hiding his finances and holdings because he doesn't give a fiddlers what Canadians want. Just so long as they fall in line. In the meantime, I can't trust his financial plan if he can't produce his own.
You placed blind trust in trump when he would not reveal his holdings. In fact you defended him quite aggressively. You also said he was quite smart and we should not hate him for playing the game.
Why is this an issue here and now?
Evidence? Not playing that game with you again. You haven't identified Randy yet.šŸ˜‰
 
I’m pretty sure most people who are newly benefiting from federally subsidized daycare have a basic awareness of where it came from. The other side’s been pretty busy about making sure they all know it’s been the Liberals in power for the past decade.

There are about 1.2 million kids in daycare in Canada. That’s not a commanding cohort of families, but it’s not tiny either. It’s also a policy that will have some appeal to younger Canadians thinking about starting or expanding families - we’re a bit of a battleground demographic in the Affordability Wars. Others will find the policy appealing simply out of ideological agreement with the principle of it; others for the potential economic impact of helping more parents (mostly mothers) back into the workforce.

So, it’s not nothing. And I don’t think anyone’s super confused about who rolled the policy out.
I didn't say anyone was confused.

Here's a better idea. Why don't we get rid of the people that have made everything unaffordable, and unattainable. Give people back enough of their money that one parent can stay home with the kids. Daycare isn't an educational tool. It a babysitting service for parents that can't make ends meet anymore, while they work two or three jobs.
 
You're missing the point. I wasn't staking philosophical ground re: deficit spending for stimulus, or stimulus via tax cut vs stimulus via spending.

Simply thst once you strip out Poilievre's hopes for 2nd order economic benefits and compare apples to apples, the difference in net budgetary measures between the disastrously inflationary sneaky Carney plan and the righteous pennypinching common sense Poilievre plan is... 20 billion
Yes. Deficits all around. Hence my criticism of the CPC: they're always going to lose a bidding war to the LPC and/or NDP; they shouldn't go down that path.
 
I’m pretty sure most people who are newly benefiting from federally subsidized daycare have a basic awareness of where it came from. The other side’s been pretty busy about making sure they all know it’s been the Liberals in power for the past decade.

There are about 1.2 million kids in daycare in Canada. That’s not a commanding cohort of families, but it’s not tiny either. It’s also a policy that will have some appeal to younger Canadians thinking about starting or expanding families - we’re a bit of a battleground demographic in the Affordability Wars. Others will find the policy appealing simply out of ideological agreement with the principle of it; others for the potential economic impact of helping more parents (mostly mothers) back into the workforce.

So, it’s not nothing. And I don’t think anyone’s super confused about who rolled the policy out.
The question is whether the people who might qualify but didn't luck into a spot have really come to grips with paying taxes for the program but not benefiting. A few weeks back a figure cited for coverage ("10$ a day care) in BC was about 10%.

Ordinarily I'd expect 9 of 10 parents paying for the 1 of 10 to revolt against the insult.
 
Currently only 5 out of 10 provinces (and 3 territories) have an average of $10/daycare. 5 provinces still in process 3 years later.
 
I think it’s reasonable to think any program on that scale is going to take a while to build up and roll out. It is happening. I imagine there were probably similar complaints about a whole host of programs over the years. Regardless, this isn’t a debate on the merits of the policy. I noted Doug Ford taking a pretty hard and obvious shot at Poilievre, and there was a bit of disagreement over whether voters would recognize the situation for what it pretty clearly is. If you find any prominent Conservatives aligned with Poilievre’s faction thanking Ford for this letter, please point it out. I’ve eaten crow before and if my read on this is wrong I’m fine doing so again.
 
I didn't say anyone was confused.

Here's a better idea. Why don't we get rid of the people that have made everything unaffordable, and unattainable. Give people back enough of their money that one parent can stay home with the kids. Daycare isn't an educational tool. It a babysitting service for parents that can't make ends meet anymore, while they work two or three jobs.
Clearly you know NOTHING about day care in this day and age. It is absolutely NOT just "babysitting". They actually teach kids things at day care. Obviously, nothin very advanced; these are kids between then ages of 18 months and 5 years, after all. But they teach them how to recognize numbers and how to count, they teach them the alphabet, they teach them to recognize and name colours, they teach them the idea of primary colours and how to mix colours, they teach them about shapes and object permanence, they teach them how to share, they teach them about sports and exercise, they teach them about animals; the idea of carnivores vs herbivores and omnivores; nocturnal vs diurnal...hell, my kid's day care potty trained my kids for me! (not that we weren't trying, but they were WAY more successful than we were)
 
Doug Ford’s education minister appears to have been tasked to poke Poilievre in the eyes today. Apprently this letter went out to at least some daycare parents in Ontario:


I can conceive of no reason for this whatsoever except to give the CPC a wee stab and a knife twist in the final week. I’m becoming more convinced Ford has designs on the CPC leadership.
I like how whenever there is a potential lack of funding for what should be a provincial responsibility it is always a Federal problem. Maybe Ford should step up, increase PST to fund provincial shortcomings such as childcare or health care instead of complaining about why someone else isn’t doing his job for him.
 
I like how whenever there is a potential lack of funding for what should be a provincial responsibility it is always a Federal problem. Maybe Ford should step up, increase PST to fund provincial shortcomings such as childcare or health care instead of complaining about why someone else isn’t doing his job for him.
Those are my federal income tax dollars coming directly back to me in a tangible and identifiable way. If the feds cut the program, they wont reduce my taxes, they will just spend it somewhere else. So, why in the hell would I want to pay more in taxes via a provincial tax increase?
 
Policy Horizons is an internal "think tank" type department tasked with exploring various "what if" scenarios and their societal implications. That's a not a prediction, its the policy equivalent of a sand table excercise.

Poilievre knows that. But he also knows how gullible some elements of his base are.
 
I like how whenever there is a potential lack of funding for what should be a provincial responsibility it is always a Federal problem. Maybe Ford should step up, increase PST to fund provincial shortcomings such as childcare or health care instead of complaining about why someone else isn’t doing his job for him.
Sure, but in this case it’s explicitly a federal policy plank where the Feds are contributing to achieving that policy platform on a national level. Right from the get go they accepted responsibility for this particular one.
 
Policy Horizons is an internal "think tank" type department tasked with exploring various "what if" scenarios and their societal implications. That's a not a prediction, its the policy equivalent of a sand table excercise.

Poilievre knows that. But he also knows how gullible some elements of his base are.
Essentially a ā€œred teamā€ for the government. I wished our elected decision makers paid them more heed.

But Trudeau and Poilievre are famous for not taking advise they don’t like.
 
Those are my federal income tax dollars coming directly back to me in a tangible and identifiable way. If the feds cut the program, they wont reduce my taxes, they will just spend it somewhere else. So, why in the hell would I want to pay more in taxes via a provincial tax increase?
Perhaps federal dollars should be spent on federal responsibilities like say, defense... Rather than vote buying.
 
Perhaps federal dollars should be spent on federal responsibilities like say, defense... Rather than vote buying.
What a cynical attitude. A program that has actually helped many Canadians in a very direct, significant, and tangible way, but to you that's just "vote buying"?
 
Perhaps federal dollars should be spent on federal responsibilities like say, defense... Rather than vote buying.
I would contend that Canada’s low and falling birth rate is a long term, pan-Canadian strategic problem. As a policy intended to make having kids more affordable, it applies itself to that issue and can be justified as a federal endeavour in that way. Same as EI maternity/parental leave.
 
Those are my federal income tax dollars coming directly back to me in a tangible and identifiable way. If the feds cut the program, they wont reduce my taxes, they will just spend it somewhere else. So, why in the hell would I want to pay more in taxes via a provincial tax increase?
The following people are all in competition:
  • people who want more defence spending
  • people who want $10-a-day care
  • people who want their drugs covered by a pharmacare program
  • people who want more teachers in classrooms
  • people who want no more closures of their local hospital emergency room
  • people who want an ambulance to roll to them a few minutes after they call
  • people who want to keep their jobs distributing aid to foreigners
  • people who want to see a physician within a day or two (sooner for emergencies)
  • people who want their surgical needs met in weeks, not months
  • people who want subsidies for their EVs
  • people who want subsidies for their rent
  • people who want subsidies for their home purchase
  • people who want their taxes cut
  • ...

Consider the average Canadian, American, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian, etc, standard of living and consumption in:
  • 1825
  • 1925
  • 2025

See any differences?

The Americans are leading; we're sliding. We're trying to pay for too many things with public revenues, without raising the revenues. It's a little noticeable by observation now, and definitely noticeable by the numbers. Not too long from now, it'll be blatantly obvious. The US is fundamentally a grow-the-pie country; Canada is fundamentally a divide-the-pie country. Eventually, bigger pies mean even their smaller slices beat the larger slices of smaller pies.

This is another situation that needs to be unfucked, which means changing the relative proportions of time divide-the-pie and grow-the-pie parties occupy office - in favour of the latter. Start by giving up some recent programs to fix the ones that are decades old.
 
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