2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[daftandbarmy]

So, saying the CAF values experience and will pay more for it would not be a winning approach?

 

[QV]

Legal.

And greasy as fuck.

 

[brihard]

What is this horseshit?

Record-tying number of candidates running in Ottawa riding of Carleton

There are 91 registered candidates running for the seat in Carleton, the riding held by Conservative Party leader and incumbent Pierre Poilievre.

www.ctvnews.ca

It was a protest against FPTP. Annoying, but legal. Only real impact is it caused the count to take an unduly long time.

Unless Canada were to put new rules in place to make it harder to be a candidate, there’s nothing really to be done.

 

[Remius]

And greasy as fuck.

They did it in other ridings as well. That one just got more names.

Legal, and I understand their reasons but I don’t think it’s helpful to democracy to be doing that. That being said, tightening rules to prevent it would likely be worse from a democratic perspective.

 

[Navy_Pete]

What does a pay raise look like? Across the board? Targeted? Add a couple IPC to Cpl thru MWO that might give minor overlap between ranks?

Lots of different ways to give more $ to the CAF...

I think what would be more effective long term than a pay raise is a massive reinvestment in PMQs and also affordable rates (vice market prices). That would mean subsidizing CFHA and maybe RPOps but whoever decided PMQs should be revenue neutral is a POS, especially when you can't complain to the provincial board when they aren't up to code.

Sure, you might need to put that down as a taxable benefit, but paying taxes on offset rent or reduced parking rates is still way cheaper than paying full rent or parking. Housing costs is a massive chunk of people's COL worries, especially when you get posted a lot, but most bases have a massive backlog of a waiting list so it's a dice roll.

If you did something like take a bit extra off peoples cheques at the front end to offset the taxable benefits, would also prevent people getting shocked by a tax bill in March (and the inevitable sob stories in the paper).

Especially in occupations where frequent moves is normal, or is something that is typical for career advancement, people not getting killed on the real estate side would be a big QoL thing, IMHO. The days of building equity and making money overall on moves is I think a legacy benefit that is no longer the norm, especially when people can't afford to get in the market to being with.

 

[dapaterson]

A huge problem for the CAF is the lack of professional HR management. Career managers should be HR pros, not "dude from the trade with a language profile".

That's a quick win... But the various groups of occ mafias will never give up their ability to fuck over their people.

 

[The Bread Guy]

So, IIRC, Reform Act says 20%+1 of caucus can sign a petition calling for a secret ballot leadership review a la O'Toole.

Would that be the current caucus, or the to-be-sworn-in caucus?

 

[ModlrMike]

A huge problem for the CAF is the lack of professional HR management. Career managers should be HR pros, not "dude from the trade with a language profile".

That's a quick win... But the various groups of occ mafias will never give up their ability to fuck over their people.

No bigger oxymoron in NAVRES than the phrase "career manager".

 

[brihard]

So, IIRC, Reform Act says 20%+1 of caucus can sign a petition calling for a secret ballot leadership review a la O'Toole.

Would that be the current caucus, or the to-be-sworn-in caucus?

Separate from that, there will automatically be a vote at the next Conservative Party National Convention on whether they want to do a leadership review; it’s automatically required when they lose.

 

[dapaterson]

Separate from that, there will automatically be a vote at the next Conservative Party National Convention on whether they want to do a leadership review; it’s automatically required when they lose.

Unless the rules get changed...

Ultimately delaying and deferring things only benefits other parties. But the CPC has a fine tradition of self inflicted pain and suffering.

 

[Navy_Pete]

So, saying the CAF values experience and will pay more for it would not be a winning approach?

'I like the type of work I do at my current rank, and don't want to be promoted to the next rank where the work changes, so would like to opt out of promotion'

'But you are a streamer'

'Yeah, but I like this kind of work and want to keep doing it'

'But the posting plot...'

...
'Middle leaders are failing the CAF!'

 

[Good2Golf]

A huge problem for the CAF is the lack of professional HR management. Career managers should be HR pros, not "dude from the trade with a language profile".

That's a quick win... But the various groups of occ mafias will never give up their ability to fuck over their people.

So, civilian/commercial HR partners who know how to do things properly then?

 

[MilEME09]

So, IIRC, Reform Act says 20%+1 of caucus can sign a petition calling for a secret ballot leadership review a la O'Toole.

Would that be the current caucus, or the to-be-sworn-in caucus?

probably after sworn in

 

[The Bread Guy]

Separate from that, there will automatically be a vote at the next Conservative Party National Convention on whether they want to do a leadership review; it’s automatically required when they lose.

True, but I haven't seen a date/place set for the next convention (sometime this year if the last one was in '23 I think).

Closer in time, I think it could be brought up at the first caucus meeting. Mind you, if they're all winners, in part, because of PP (in spite of some saying "in spite of"), what're the odds that more than 1 in 5 saying, "uh, time to give us a secret ballot for you to go"?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Mulcair (an ex-Liberal) made a remark that essentially encouraged strategic ("ABC") voting to keep the Conservatives out and thus contributed to the post-Layton collapse of the NDP.

The collapse was already happening and he started the party back to a somewhat more centralist role.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It was a protest against FPTP. Annoying, but legal. Only real impact is it caused the count to take an unduly long time.

Unless Canada were to put new rules in place to make it harder to be a candidate, there’s nothing really to be done.

I think it would be fair to put rules in place that the candidate must show that they campaigned or suffer a post election fine, with exceptions for certain events

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Why be mad at Ford (or Houston) and not be mad at PP and his campaign who seemed to deliberately antagonize them and push them at arms length?

I'm sure there was a lot of internal push with the campaign strategist folks to change tack after Trudeau resigned before they spoke about it at a Conservative event (vice fully public), but looks like they fed Conservatives did not, in fact, know better.

If PP losing his own seat isn't a wake up call to the CPC that their approach of Reform party lite isn't a path to governement, I don't know what would be. Erin O'Toole would have had a better chance I think of getting cross country support but he got turfed quickly and no one else credible wanted the job.

If I shit the bed I don't blame others first, but doesn't seem like PP and team have any real introspection. Going from a big majority to official opposition, with the leader losing their own seat isn't an example of a good plan, regardless of external circumstances like Trump.

This isn’t pointed at NP or anyone else. This is why I'm moving away from this shit. I've had enough argueing, explaining myself and having people with no more knowledge or experience, suggesting they know better in their own biased view. I can now decide what suits my perspective. I've explained myself above and feel that I have no need to defend my choice to anyone here. I didn’t write what I did for discussion. I wrote it as an explanation for dropping off this particular forum. I believe every word I wrote and can only hope Canada wakes up before we don’t have a Canada. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Except this one is smart, connected and even more dangerous than the POS he replaced. That amateur nearly did this country in, even with his ham fisted style of doing things. We'll never find out how many billions the liberals defrauded us for now. So excuse me if I'm feeling jaded.

I'll still be around to toss the odd sarcastic remark around about our oligarchy though, but no serious discussion. I'll leave that to others.

And Ford can still go fuck himself.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Will be interesting to see what happens with the few lone NDP members; looks like LPC needs 3 people to go over to get a majority, and with some promises for specific policies or some influence in Cabinet there may be a few NDP people (who I think are treated as independents now) who may be interested. Probably also some centrist tories as well who would be okay forming part of an LPC government that is focused on economic reform (vice identity politics).

Would need a good housecleaning of the PMO though, so hopefully will see a lot of the JT era people get replaced over the next few months. The arguement over understanding functions of government makes sense in very short term, but frankly that's what the PCO is there to provide support to the PMO and other Ministers for, as the political staff is expected to regularly change out with entirely new people, who may have zero idea how different departments work.

May be same old, same old, but aside from some specific things, in broad strokes both major parties are just the same poop in different colour with different pet pork barreling for the most part, with a few specific exceptions.

 

[Remius]

Will be interesting to see what happens with the few lone NDP members; looks like LPC needs 3 people to go over to get a majority, and with some promises for specific policies or some influence in Cabinet there may be a few NDP people (who I think are treated as independents now) who may be interested. Probably also some centrist tories as well who would be okay forming part of an LPC government that is focused on economic reform (vice identity politics).

Would need a good housecleaning of the PMO though, so hopefully will see a lot of the JT era people get replaced over the next few months. The arguement over understanding functions of government makes sense in very short term, but frankly that's what the PCO is there to provide support to the PMO and other Ministers for, as the political staff is expected to regularly change out with entirely new people, who may have zero idea how different departments work.

May be same old, same old, but aside from some specific things, in broad strokes both major parties are just the same poop in different colour with different pet pork barreling for the most part, with a few specific exceptions.

I hope that Carney stays with a smaller cabinet. And that cabinet has more freedom of movement with their mandates to achieve the PMs intent. Along with the accountability that comes with that.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So, IIRC, Reform Act says 20%+1 of caucus can sign a petition calling for a secret ballot leadership review a la O'Toole.

Would that be the current caucus, or the to-be-sworn-in caucus?

Don’t forget the Red Chinese, Indians and whaterever other meddling disporia feels their homeland still comes before and is more important than Canada.