2025 U.S. - Venezuela conflict

[QV]

I wonder if the people of Venezuela, who voted Maduro out twice, share Brihard’s opinion.

 

[Altair]

I wonder if the people of Venezuela, who voted Maduro out twice, share Brihard’s opinion.

I know you wont answer, but I'll pretend for a second.

If China does this to Lai Ching-te, legal or not legal?

 

[markppcli]

I wonder if the people of Venezuela, who voted Maduro out twice, share Brihard’s opinion.

I think if I was Venezuelan id be more than a little concerned about my future right now. Of course this is a straw man - no one has suggested Mudero isn't a piece of shit, Brihard even used those exact words. However unilateral regime change isn't something we really want to encourage in the world.

 

[GR66]

I wonder if the people of Venezuela, who voted Maduro out twice, share Brihard’s opinion.

This opinion?

He nor the U.S. government have zero place picking the leadership for a country capable of its own democratic choices. Who leads Venezuela must be left to the Venezuelans.

 

[Remius]

I think if I was Venezuelan id be more than a little concerned about my future right now. Of course this is a straw man - no one has suggested Mudero isn't a piece of shit, Brihard even used those exact words. However unilateral regime change isn't something we really want to encourage in the world.

Remains to be seen if the current regime hardens up to maintain control. That won’t be good for Venezuelans. Regime gangs are apparently out and about today.

 

[markppcli]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007469183781470363

Venezuelan Airforce is now flying.

 

[brihard]

I wonder if the people of Venezuela, who voted Maduro out twice, share Brihard’s opinion.

The U.S. doesn’t care what the people of Venezuela want. At best any such political sentiment will be used to try to validate actions taken in pursuit of entirely different objectives. If the democratic will of Venezuelans matter to Trump he would not have already staked out a claim on decisions around the country’s leadership and oil economy.

The only actions the U.S. can take that respect Venezuelan democratic will is to completely step back and take their hands off and let Venezuelans decide. Would you like to claim here and now that that’s going to happen, or can we all be a bit more realistic and recognize this is the U.S. doing another aggressive regime change for their own interests?

 

[markppcli]

This opinion?

Pretty fringe opinion frankly, only held by woke liberal cucks like..

 

[brihard]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007469183781470363

Venezuelan Airforce is now flying.

Just a guess, but probably bailing out south to Brasil or Colombia. None of the neighbours fly either airframe, but they’ll probably request asylum as they near the border and will probably be granted it, allowing for technical exploitation of the aircraft.

Zero chance the Venezuelan Air Force is taking to the sky with any hostile intent.

 

[Altair]

The U.S. doesn’t care what the people of Venezuela want. At best any such political sentiment will be used to try to validate actions taken in pursuit of entirely different objectives. If the democratic will of Venezuelans matter to Trump he would not have already staked out a claim on decisions around the country’s leadership and oil economy.

The only actions the U.S. can take that respect Venezuelan democratic will is to completely step back and take their hands off and let Venezuelans decide. Would you like to claim here and now that that’s going to happen, or can we all be a bit more realistic and recognize this is the U.S. doing another aggressive regime change for their own interests?

Will the Venezuelan military allow free and fair elections?

Or will they need to be taken off the board?

If the Venezuelans vote for another socialist, do the Americans allow that?

I think the people of Venezuela will be the last people in line when it comes to determining who rules their country.

 

[QV]

I know you wont answer, but I'll pretend for a second.

If China does this to Lai Ching-te, legal or not legal?

Was Lai Ching-te democratically elected or is he a dictator twice voted out? Come on Altair, you can find a better comparison…

I think if I was Venezuelan id be more than a little concerned about my future right now. Of course this is a straw man - no one has suggested Mudero isn't a piece of shit, Brihard even used those exact words. However unilateral regime change isn't something we really want to encourage in the world.

And how was the future looking when a dictator didn’t honour election outcomes? Which episode of regime change in the past are you equally against? Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria? The manner in which they did so was flawed (massive ground troops). This Venezuelan example remains to be seen if it will succeed.

This opinion?

No, the legality/dishonour etc. but you knew that. And since the elections in Venezuela have not been honoured in the past, something had to fix tha.

 

[brihard]

Remains to be seen if the current regime hardens up to maintain control. That won’t be good for Venezuelans. Regime gangs are apparently out and about today.

Yeah, this will be a major signal to watch. Trump has staked a claim on a significant say in Venezuela’s political leadership and oil industry. That’s incongruent with just a top level decapitation resulting in a simple succession or a military junta or what have you- unless the U.S. games that out already and are fine with a dictatorship more friendly to U.S. foreign and economic policy.

Will the Venezuelan military allow free and fair elections?

Or will they need to be taken off the board?

If the Venezuelans vote for another socialist, do the Americans allow that?

I think the people of Venezuela will be the last people in line when it comes to determining who rules their country.

This is among my fears. The Venezuelan people will be last in the meal line on these decisions, and nobody will be calling seconds.

What is the Venezuelan army going to do today?

 

[markppcli]

Was Lai Ching-te democratically elected or is he a dictator twice voted out? Come on Altair, you can find a better comparison…



And how was the future looking when a dictator didn’t honour election outcomes? Which episode of regime change in the past are you equally against? Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria? The manner in which they did so was flawed (massive ground troops). This Venezuelan example remains to be seen if it will succeed.



No, the legality/dishonour etc. but you knew that. And since the elections in Venezuela have not been honoured in the past, something had to fix tha.

This actually looks a lot like Libya, only the US wasn't acting in support of a populist uprising being decimated by government forces. It was acting in its economic interests.

Look i get it, to you Trump can do no wrong. I don't really see what you get out of arguing here.

 

[Altair]

Was Lai Ching-te democratically elected or is he a dictator twice voted out? Come on Altair, you can find a better comparison…

China doesn't recognize Lai Ching-te as the democratically elected leader of Taiwan.

Seems if you don't recognize the leader of a country as legally elected, you can swoop in and snatch them.

 

[markppcli]

What is the Venezuelan army going to do today?

Apparently they were mostly on leave.

 

[Halifax Tar]

This is a mistake. He should STFU.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007461129308565875

 

[lenaitch]

I'd love to see how the alleged indictment will read, especially considering it will be drafted by our good friends at the DJT's Justice Department (i.e. Pam and her ilks). If it turns out to be another rambling political speech full of baseless rhetoric but failing to reveal an actual crime under US law and is rejected by the courts right away as failing to reveal crime, then what? Return him to Venezuela?

And let's face it for a Venezuelan, to rig a Venezuelan election while in Venezuela makes you a piece-of-sh%$, but not an American criminal. Similarly, as much a Maduro is a bad hombre, I don't think there will be any evidence actually linking him to the drug cartels other than, perhaps things that you find in all politician's backgrounds, such as pictures at rallies with known criminals that the politician either ignored was a criminal or the criminal sneaked in to ensure his picture was so taken. If it's this later level of proof, then there is one heck of a convicted criminal in the White House with all the pictures of DJT in the Epstein file.

Well, there is always Guantanamo. If they realize that the 'arrest' was a tad shaky, they could move him out of reach of the US "justice" system.

100%
The US now has direct access to the world’s largest oil reserves.
The kind that Texas gulf refineries just love.
People need to realize that a new pipeline or 3 to the coasts has become a ‘need to have’ not a ‘like to have.’

This. He doesn't give two shits about the drugs. To him, drug addiction only impacts losers. It's all about the oil.

It’s fascinating reading you all condemn the US and support the dictator Maduro who stole power and ruined a country.

So you're okay with this then.

 

[markppcli]

This is a mistake. He should STFU.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007461129308565875

Yuuuupppppp how to lose rational Canadian support to solidify your base

 

[QV]

This actually looks a lot like Libya, only the US wasn't acting in support of a populist uprising being decimated by government forces. It was acting in its economic interests.

Look i get it, to you Trump can do no wrong. I don't really see what you get out of arguing here.

And to you Trump can do no right. Things are better with balance.

 

[OldSolduer]

Apparently they were mostly on leave.

Clinically speaking that was a good time. Just after New Years…