2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

[Altair]

Well we already have tanks there (including Canadian tanks) so yes they will roll. The Baltic will be closed to them as will the Black Sea. Likely every refinery and major oil pipeline will be targeted by NATO crippling their economy. NATO navies will blockade their coastline. An economic embargo...a real one not like the sieve-like one currently underway...will stifle their trade.

Putin may not give a damn about the Russian economy but when Russians are cold and hungry in the dark he'll care about his skin.

And when we find put what happens to tanks when drones come into play?

 

[GR66]

And when we find put what happens to tanks when drones come into play?

I guess the same as what would happen to their tanks. The Russians, like the Soviets are not 12' tall giants.

 

[Altair]

I guess the same as what would happen to their tanks. The Russians, like the Soviets are not 12' tall giants.

No, but they have the second most experienced drone forces on the planet.

Seeing as that is where warfare is heading, writing them off is premature.

Russia is currently fighting the next war, we haven't even really begun the process of pivoting to it.

The Brits getting wiped out by the Ukrainians in an exercise was a warning shot to the west. If the Ukrainians can do it, the Russians can too.

 

[GR66]

No, but they have the second most experienced drone forces on the planet.

Seeing as that is where warfare is heading, writing them off is premature.

Russia is currently fighting the next war, we haven't even really begun the process of pivoting to it.

The Brits getting wiped out by the Ukrainians in an exercise was a warning shot to the west. If the Ukrainians can do it, the Russians can too.

And how much Ukrainian territory have those Russian drone forces managed to capture this year?

Yes, drones have changed the nature of war but it's a mistake to take what's happening in Ukraine as being directly transferable to what a Russia/NATO war would look like.

 

[Altair]

And how much Ukrainian territory have those Russian drone forces managed to capture this year?

Yes, drones have changed the nature of war but it's a mistake to take what's happening in Ukraine as being directly transferable to what a Russia/NATO war would look like.

I'm getting Spanish civil war vibes here...

The Brits and the French looked at it and decided that there were no lessons to be learned. The Germans took notes.

Again a NATO military, the UK, got their asses handed to them by the Ukrainians and your takeaway is its not transferable?

My takeaway is we are not ready.

As for the Russians losing to the Ukrainians, yes, they are losing to the best drone forces on the planet. They wouldn't have that disadvantage versus NATO

 

[brihard]

And how much Ukrainian territory have those Russian drone forces managed to capture this year?

Yes, drones have changed the nature of war but it's a mistake to take what's happening in Ukraine as being directly transferable to what a Russia/NATO war would look like.

Altair’s cocky, but on this one he’s right. Russia has a level of experience in new ways of killing people and breaking their shit that we appear unable to even wrap our heads around. While we do see a highly selective and curated depiction of drone warfare, nonetheless the reality is thousands or tens of thousands going out per day, and AFVs getting smoked tens of kilometers before reaching FEBA. If we continue to posture our forces against Russia as a strategic threat, we’d best be live to the tactical realities. I don’t think we’re so super special that we’ll be immune to new TTPs.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

And how much Ukrainian territory have those Russian drone forces managed to capture this year?

Yes, drones have changed the nature of war but it's a mistake to take what's happening in Ukraine as being directly transferable to what a Russia/NATO war would look like.

The Russian strategy is one of attrition, not maneuver. Territorial gains aren't Russia's objective at this time. Eroding Ukraine's capacity to resist through attrition is the objective.

Altair’s cocky, but on this one he’s right. Russia has a level of experience in new ways of killing people and breaking their shit that we appear unable to even wrap our heads around. While we do see a highly selective and curated depiction of drone warfare, nonetheless the reality is thousands or tens of thousands going out per day, and AFVs getting smoked tens of kilometers before reaching FEBA. If we continue to posture our forces against Russia as a strategic threat, we’d best be live to the tactical realities. I don’t think we’re so super special that we’ll be immune to new TTPs.

They launched over 1,000 long range strike drones in the past 48 hrs alone. The Russian strike complex and its ability to sustain the numbers they are is something that needs to be studied and understood.