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I‘m a mean guy...
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I agree, weekend basic is considerably easier...i have a buddy doing it right now any they‘re complaining about being tired...after TWO DAYS! gimmie a break...summer basic ain‘t the same as reg force but at least it‘s still a step above the weekend thing.
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I never got an answer though...cause, you know...I can talk to them if you want. Lt McKnight, WO Ruiter and I go way back. I can request they step up the training a notch or 10.
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Hey Fusilier, Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with your belief that Co-op is easier.
I think it is just as challengin as the Weekend course. at least mine was. if not harder.
We had a 5 day range Ex. the weekenders had a weekend.
We had a 10 day FTX, the weekenders had a Weekend.
Our drill, GSK, and Weapons handling was significantly better then the weekenders, even the half day Co-op students.
granted i did my QL-2 in 99 and it was run by the RHLI and some Argyles. (good guys those argyles) (ok and some good RHLI‘s too.) so Its probabbly a little different now. But all i know is that our intsructors knew we got to go home at the end of the night. and they more then made up for it. we did alot of PT and Drill when we were there.
Im not gonna say it was the hardest in the world. since its always harder for someone else. but i can honestly say that from My personal opinion, the QL-2 I was on, was a very challenging and demanding course. and it varey Rarely (if ever) felt easy.
but back to the point of this thread. If you really dont like the army then yes. quit. stick it out for another weekend persay, and then if its still as awful as you say it is. then quit.
trust me, you will be doing yourself, your coursemates, and the CF in general a favour if you truly dont want to be there.
I think it is just as challengin as the Weekend course. at least mine was. if not harder.
We had a 5 day range Ex. the weekenders had a weekend.
We had a 10 day FTX, the weekenders had a Weekend.
Our drill, GSK, and Weapons handling was significantly better then the weekenders, even the half day Co-op students.
granted i did my QL-2 in 99 and it was run by the RHLI and some Argyles. (good guys those argyles) (ok and some good RHLI‘s too.) so Its probabbly a little different now. But all i know is that our intsructors knew we got to go home at the end of the night. and they more then made up for it. we did alot of PT and Drill when we were there.
Im not gonna say it was the hardest in the world. since its always harder for someone else. but i can honestly say that from My personal opinion, the QL-2 I was on, was a very challenging and demanding course. and it varey Rarely (if ever) felt easy.
but back to the point of this thread. If you really dont like the army then yes. quit. stick it out for another weekend persay, and then if its still as awful as you say it is. then quit.
trust me, you will be doing yourself, your coursemates, and the CF in general a favour if you truly dont want to be there.
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When I was in my high school militia co-op we were at the armoury throughout the weekday ...it was pretty simple, 830am parade square inspection and then after that 2 lecture periods, 2 drill periods. Lunch for an hour, then 1-3pm we were with a high school teacher, still in the armoury, 1.5 hours math or english...and then til 3 we had PT. We went away one weekend a month to meaford, but we got to tag along with the weekenders. That‘s how it worked for me in my bmq. *shudders* Ruiter...
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Yeah Johnny rules. And what‘s wrong with Dan Ruiter? He‘s just a little Dutch, it‘s all good, it‘s all good.
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WHAT?Originally posted by RoyalHighlandFusilier:
[qb] Weekend is harder than Coop.[/qb]
Im on the Co-op program as we speak...(just heading out the door to saty at the ranges for the weekend) and i would have to dissagree. The one weekend we spent with the weekend guys we couldnt stand them... Their uniform‘s were all wrinkled, no flashers, and so on. i would think the weekend people would have more time to work on their uniform...
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I don‘t know for sure if weekend is harder than coop...But I‘d have to say coop is harder just because you were there more, and with good ol‘ Johnny Donachie, he makes your life pretty rough seeing as you all get to go home and rest after. When we went away to the ranges in Meaford, we were with the weekenders, they all seemed pretty clueless to me actually to what was going on, I remember a girl from the weekend thing, she was like, 27 or something, she was yelling at us coop guys cuz we should be helping them or something, which we were, we just werent doing everything for them. Sigh...I think coop is harder, but even the coop was still nothing, so complaining about either a weekend course or a coop is stupid. I‘m goin to St. Jean in May..10 weeks in St. Jean is Satan, as militia coop is to barney the dinosaur. Not complaining, I can‘t wait. :warstory:
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Well, I read another post here about inspecting the Gerber multi-tool and figured...nah. But oh was I mistaken, when on course on my last inspection, the Sgt. asks to see my Gerber! He goes on about the finger-prints and scratches all over it..ugh. Oh well, maybe everything else was perfect 
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yeah we had a fairly good ratio of instructors.
for PERSEC reasons I wont name names, and some of them have since released from the forces
but we had an RHLI Lt.
then a RHLI Sgt as our PL Wo
1 sec. had our sec com, comming and going. we had a sgt. then no one, then another sgt, then no one. Finally they made the 1 sec 2ic a RHLI MCpl, now SGT. our sec com, and brought a Cpl, from the Ash of C in.
2 sec had 2 MCpls from the RHLI
and 3 Sec had a Sgt from the Ash of C and a MCpl from the RHLI.
4 sec was the half Day Co-op kids and they had a Cpl, as their Sec Com, since there were only 5 of them.
all in all we had 8-10 troops per sec, plus 2ic and Sec Com. so there was always addiquate supervision.
we would have had the Pl officer (Lt.) Pl/crse WO (sgt)
plus 6 or 7 instructors, and at times (ie feild) we had about 10-15 soldiers who could act as staff, or instructors.
im not gonna say mine was harder then yours since i didnt do your QL-2. I can imagine though with a ratio like you had RHF it would have been quite challenging.
for PERSEC reasons I wont name names, and some of them have since released from the forces
but we had an RHLI Lt.
then a RHLI Sgt as our PL Wo
1 sec. had our sec com, comming and going. we had a sgt. then no one, then another sgt, then no one. Finally they made the 1 sec 2ic a RHLI MCpl, now SGT. our sec com, and brought a Cpl, from the Ash of C in.
2 sec had 2 MCpls from the RHLI
and 3 Sec had a Sgt from the Ash of C and a MCpl from the RHLI.
4 sec was the half Day Co-op kids and they had a Cpl, as their Sec Com, since there were only 5 of them.
all in all we had 8-10 troops per sec, plus 2ic and Sec Com. so there was always addiquate supervision.
we would have had the Pl officer (Lt.) Pl/crse WO (sgt)
plus 6 or 7 instructors, and at times (ie feild) we had about 10-15 soldiers who could act as staff, or instructors.
im not gonna say mine was harder then yours since i didnt do your QL-2. I can imagine though with a ratio like you had RHF it would have been quite challenging.
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Well as far as the militia goes it really went downhill after the summer of 2001. Basic training courses became joke weekend courses. I tend to agree with infanteer but the reason the courses are so slack is pretty obvious.
Easier courses means less ppl will be sent home. What I‘m seeing is turning a blind eye to "problem ppl" and just pushing them through to have another name on a roster. It‘s like anything else it‘s just a question of money. Running a basic training course or any military course for that matter is expensive.
Also the "old ways" of running the troops into the ground but making soldiers and men/women out of them did work. But money prevails in running a course, in the old ways you lose to many. With taking away instructor powers to discipline effectively you take away the very nature of the army. I think it‘s pretty gros, but hey what can you do?
Easier courses means less ppl will be sent home. What I‘m seeing is turning a blind eye to "problem ppl" and just pushing them through to have another name on a roster. It‘s like anything else it‘s just a question of money. Running a basic training course or any military course for that matter is expensive.
Also the "old ways" of running the troops into the ground but making soldiers and men/women out of them did work. But money prevails in running a course, in the old ways you lose to many. With taking away instructor powers to discipline effectively you take away the very nature of the army. I think it‘s pretty gros, but hey what can you do?
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