6 Jan 2020 U.S. Events (Split from A Deeply Fractured US)

[lenaitch]

Prosecutors play a role in deciding what to charge (and whether to over-charge, which is common in the US in order to produce plea bargains), and in asking for sentences.

As they do here as well, but convictions and actual sentences are the realm of the courts. Were they part of the over-reach?

Not innocent. All kinds of rioters walk home from riots without being taken into custody, though, let alone charged.

Often more of a capacity issue and targetting the ones seen as ringleaders or who have committed the most egregious offences. That and it's easier to catch the slower ones Rioters walking home doesn't necessarily make them less culpable, and doesn't make the ones who were caught anymore more culpable, or any more deserving of a public handout for their troubles simply by virtue of the fact that they happened to get caught.

 

[daftandbarmy]

As they do here as well, but convictions and actual sentences are the realm of the courts. Were they part of the over-reach?


Often more of a capacity issue and targetting the ones seen as ringleaders or who have committed the most egregious offences. That and it's easier to catch the slower ones Rioters walking home doesn't necessarily make them less culpable, and doesn't make the ones who were caught anymore more culpable, or any more deserving of a public handout for their troubles simply by virtue of the fact that they happened to get caught.

Much easier to take their photos, source their home addresses, then simultaneously lift them all in the dark at 3.00 am (in front of their screaming and wailing families) out of the glare of the media's cameras.

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[McG]

I would not paint America through the years with the Trump 47 brush though.

Answering in another thread, because this isn’t about Iran. Trump 45 happened and then it ended in attempted autogolpe. The world was told that could never happen again. … and the Trump 47 happened, and it has been worse. And American voters didn’t turn sour when he started burning norms & turning on allies … they only soured when their wealth became impacted. Congress has been impotent. And everyone involved in the autogolpe has been forgiven.

The global commons doesn’t like to be fooled twice. You can’t play Jekyll and Hyde while expecting the world to forget the monster during the periods when the doctor is showing his face. So the whole world is going to paint the US with a Trump 47 brush. That will persist until the US undertakes systematic change & democratic reforms that demonstrably ensure there will never be a MAGA 3.0.

 

[Lumber]

Answering in another thread, because this isn’t about Iran. Trump 45 happened and then it ended in attempted autogolpe. The world was told that could never happen again. … and the Trump 47 happened, and it has been worse. And American voters didn’t turn sour when he started burning norms & turning on allies … they only soured when their wealth became impacted. Congress has been impotent. And everyone involved in the autogolpe has been forgiven.

The global commons doesn’t like to be fooled twice. You can’t play Jekyll and Hyde while expecting the world to forget the monster during the periods when the doctor is showing his face. So the whole world is going to paint the US with a Trump 47 brush. That will persist until the US undertakes systematic change & democratic reforms that demonstrably ensure there will never be a MAGA 3.0.

Or they come to the aide of the world in WW3.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Answering in another thread, because this isn’t about Iran. Trump 45 happened and then it ended in attempted autogolpe. The world was told that could never happen again. … and the Trump 47 happened, and it has been worse. And American voters didn’t turn sour when he started burning norms & turning on allies … they only soured when their wealth became impacted. Congress has been impotent. And everyone involved in the autogolpe has been forgiven.

The global commons doesn’t like to be fooled twice. You can’t play Jekyll and Hyde while expecting the world to forget the monster during the periods when the doctor is showing his face. So the whole world is going to paint the US with a Trump 47 brush. That will persist until the US undertakes systematic change & democratic reforms that demonstrably ensure there will never be a MAGA 3.0.

Who told us (you) that ? And why would us (you) believe such nonsense ?

 

[mariomike]

That will persist until the US undertakes systematic change & democratic reforms that demonstrably ensure there will never be a MAGA 3.0.

Colonel Campbell put it this way,

The people who voted for Trump and will vote for him or his surrogate again, in 2020 and in 2024 and beyond, don't care about the data because it doesn't address their issues, their feelings.

 

[PuckChaser]

Answering in another thread, because this isn’t about Iran.

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[Brad Sallows]

Who told us (you) that ? And why would us (you) believe such nonsense ?

Impossible to believe or disbelieve a proposition unless it is well-enough defined. What was it that could never happen again? A free and fair election in which voters repudiate long-established factions? Political protests in which protestors occupy government buildings and interfere with legitimate operations of government?

As long as the Democrats are determined to work so hard to avoid serving the interests of the median US voter and Republicans are divided into those who are habitual and ineffectual cheek-turners and those who are bellicose and give effect to the "80" side of "80/20" issues, US politics will remain unsettled at current levels.

Everyone else can go on pretending "it can't happen here" and fiddling while their own median voters burn.