A Coy 3 PPCLI being disolved

[super_pookie]

startin on Feb. 7 3PPCLI is forming two companies and the CO has decided that A company will be the one to get broken up into the other companies and it sux but u just go where the army tells you maybe the change will be good but im just ranting now and i was wondering if any of the other companies are gettin the axe?

 

[Yeoman]

light battalions at two coys?
huh?
now how could that happen?
I'm seriously lost here
Greg

 

[Matt_Fisher]

?

So you're saying that the battalion is going from 3 rifle companies to 2?

 

[George Wallace]

Where are the 'Facts" stating this is going to happen?  I question this due to the way this post was poorly worded and poor use of grammar.  Damn our education system and the poor output of our students. 

Did you mean that "a" company of 3 PPCLI is going to be disbanded or "A" Coy of 3 PPCLI?  I ask, as there is NO "A Coy" in 3 PPCLI.

GW

 

[Infanteer]

I ask, as there is NO "A Coy" in 3 PPCLI.

Ummm...yeah there is George.  ???

http://www.army.dnd.ca/3PPCLI/

Anyways, 1 VP was down to 2 Coys a couple years ago.   However - I thought 3VP got a big influx of manpower?

 

[George Wallace]

Sorry  :-[  Thought the Bn setup in PPCLI was the same as other Inf Regiments......oh well..... :-[

GW

 

[Michael OLeary]

I believe that only the RCR have lettered the companies sequentially across the battalions from A to T. But no-one who has served in the right-of-the-line rifle company in 1RCR over the past few decades will ever admit to being in "A Company", because they served in "The Duke's Coy" (A Coy, 1RCR, was designated The Duke of Edinburgh's Company on 16 Jul 78).

Pro Patria

 

[Infanteer]

It seems manning even three companies across the line in the PPCLI is a problem (didn't 3VP deploy to OP APOLLO with only 2, requiring a third from 2VP?).  Should we not eliminate one battalion in return for two battalions of four companies?

How are the other 2 regiments doing?

 

[Spooks]

"A Coy" members are being moved to fill the gaps in B and C Coy in 3VP, and all members who are DAG red/yellow or unfit atm will go to ACoy to be a skeleton crew until the new summer flux of BIQ recruits come in. Also, (not confirmed) those at Op Athena atm will come back and augment the leadership and experience levels in A Coy.

Switching to 10-man sections as to prevent major holes being formed because of injuries/sickness/etc lowering section size sometimes to 4 or 5. In addition, each Coy will have a Weapons Platoon dedicated to the support weapons. This increase right now will cause a larger lack of manpower and thus A Coy troops will be moved to fill those places now for group experience before deployment schedules come out.

As for why A Coy and not B or C that's something I don't think we're allowed to talk about in detail.

-Spooks

 

[super_pookie]

First id like to apolagize for my earlier post, it was my first one and i wrote it without the proper amount of thought. Id also like to thank Spooks for stating all the information about whats happening in 3VP

 

[super_pookie]

I would also like to ad a quote that i found here on this site that does a good job at describing how i felt about the news:

"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn in this life that we tend to meet any situation by reorganizing. And a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
- Wrongly attributed to Petronius Arbiter, Roman hedonist, about 60 A.D.
It is not found anywhere in his works. The earliest known occurrence seems to be in the British occupation force in Germany after

 

[Spooks]

Nice......nice
Like it a lot

-Spooks

 

[X Royal]

I believe that only the RCR have lettered the companies sequentially across the battalions from A to T. But no-one who has served in the right-of-the-line rifle company in 1RCR over the past few decades will ever admit to being in "A Company", because they served in "The Duke's Coy" (A Coy, 1RCR, was designated The Duke of Edinburgh's Company on 16 Jul 78).

Pro Patria

Although The Duke of Edinburgh's Company may of been designated on 16 Jul 78 it was not formed until the late spring/early summer of 1979. A Coy remained the training Coy for TQ 3 training in 1RCR until the spring of 1979.
At this point two things happened. The RCR Battleschool was formed in Petawawa leaving the training Coy without any use. Also around this time Delta Coy was almost completely posted on mass to 3 RCR in Germany. A Coy became the Duke of Edinburgh's Company with the two other rifle Coy's being Bravo Coy and Charles Coy. Delta Coy remained vacant.

Pro Patria

 

[Infanteer]

Good to see the confusion got sorted out.  I remember a buddy training a large intake of recruits for 3 VP a couple years ago, so I couldn't see them being too depleted in manpower.  "Fattening up" the companies makes sense.

"A Coy" members are being moved to fill the gaps in B and C Coy in 3VP, and all members who are DAG red/yellow or unfit atm will go to ACoy to be a skeleton crew until the new summer flux of BIQ recruits come in. Also, (not confirmed) those at Op Athena atm will come back and augment the leadership and experience levels in A Coy.

Switching to 10-man sections as to prevent major holes being formed because of injuries/sickness/etc lowering section size sometimes to 4 or 5. In addition, each Coy will have a Weapons Platoon dedicated to the support weapons. This increase right now will cause a larger lack of manpower and thus A Coy troops will be moved to fill those places now for group experience before deployment schedules come out.

As for why A Coy and not B or C that's something I don't think we're allowed to talk about in detail.

-Spooks

Bravo Zulu to 3 PPCLI for taking steps like this to experiment and refine doctrine for the light infantry battalions.  Obviously, a little internal "shaking" is a proactive approach considering the speed at which official, hard-and-fast TO&E's get implemented.

To be honest, I think an Infantry battalion playing around on its own in an unofficial setting is a much better driving force for doctrine and tactics then 14 Colonels sitting in Ottawa and passing down the Commandments from "Up High".

 

[Doug VT]

The LIB's are not losing one of their companies.  With the presented "facts", it appears that this is only a temporary solution to an upcoming "problem".  When we deployed on Op Apollo, Oscar company was used to fill the gaps within the rest of the Battalion.  For the most part, the augmenties were returned after the operation.

 

[devil39]

The LIB's are not losing one of their companies.   With the presented "facts", it appears that this is only a temporary solution to an upcoming "problem".   When we deployed on Op Apollo, Oscar company was used to fill the gaps within the rest of the Battalion.   For the most part, the augmenties were returned after the operation.

Oscar Company on Op Apollo?

 

[McG]

Bravo Zulu to 3 PPCLI for taking steps like this to experiment and refine doctrine for the light infantry battalions.

This is not about refining doctrine.  3VP has troops deployed on Op ATHENA, and when these troops return in about a month the battalion will not be able to deploy them for a year.  The battalion also has soldiers that would DAG red (meaning that for whatever personal/medical/social/other reason, those soldiers are not deployable).  All the soldiers that are not deployable (those coming home from ATHENA and those that would DAG red) are being grouped into a single company that will be non-deployable.  The remaining companies will be filled with deployable soldiers.

This is likely in responce to 3 VP going into high readiness this summer (and possibly to Kandahar).  The battalion will now have two full companies ready to go and on LOB, instead of three companies full of holes.  Someone else can provide a "plug & play" company if needed.

 

[Infanteer]

Switching to 10-man sections as to prevent major holes being formed because of injuries/sickness/etc lowering section size sometimes to 4 or 5. In addition, each Coy will have a Weapons Platoon dedicated to the support weapons. This increase right now will cause a larger lack of manpower and thus A Coy troops will be moved to fill those places now for group experience before deployment schedules come out.

I'm sure the reason you pointed out is on the field, but this sounds like "doctrinal refining" to me.

 

[ArmyRick]

I am willing to bet, 3VP going down to 2 x Rifle coy is a temporary thing. But then again I don't have all the facts...
For anyone not in the know, each PPCLI battalion has a A, B, C, etc Rifle coy and Admin and combat support company (the latter two do not have an letter designation)..
Mind you with infantry losing mortars, pioneers and soon anti-armour, maybe combat support coys are going to disappear.
Cheers with beers.

 

[KevinB]

Oscar Company on Op Apollo?

I think he meant OP Athena....