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Yes, very easily.
A Deeply Fractured US
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Yes, very easily.
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Yeah...
Take a shot of any Canadian military member in a gabardine and you have the same comparison.
ICE has it's issues, but it's green and very American uniform isn't one of them.
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This looks like good place to drop this. Perhaps this can help partially explain the vehement opposition to each other. Stuff that happens 'Out There' will fade into the next story and the world will live on. We live together in here. Mike gave us a home. No need to take a chainsaw and cut it in half.
Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota.
"Anyone following recent events in Minneapolis has likely noticed something strange. People watching the same videos, reading the same headlines, and reacting to the same street-level events often seem to be describing entirely different realities. Conversations quickly break down, not because people disagree about what should be done, but because they cannot even agree on what is happening. It’s as if people are watching two completely different movies on one screen.
The “two-movies-one-screen” concept was first coined by Scott Adams(RIP), the creator of Dilbert turned political commentator, to describe radically different interpretations of the same political events. People with access to the same set of facts come away with completely different understandings of what is happening. In some cases, each side seems genuinely unaware that the other interpretation even exists.
This is not merely disagreement, and it goes beyond ordinary bias. It is also not quite what psychologists usually mean by cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance, first described by Leon Festinger in the 1950s, occurs when people experience psychological discomfort from holding conflicting beliefs or encountering information that contradicts their existing views, and then attempt to reduce that discomfort through rationalization or reinterpretation of the facts. In cases like the Renee Good shooting in Minnesota, however, something else seems to be happening. So, what is going on?
More at link - Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota
Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota.
"Anyone following recent events in Minneapolis has likely noticed something strange. People watching the same videos, reading the same headlines, and reacting to the same street-level events often seem to be describing entirely different realities. Conversations quickly break down, not because people disagree about what should be done, but because they cannot even agree on what is happening. It’s as if people are watching two completely different movies on one screen.
The “two-movies-one-screen” concept was first coined by Scott Adams(RIP), the creator of Dilbert turned political commentator, to describe radically different interpretations of the same political events. People with access to the same set of facts come away with completely different understandings of what is happening. In some cases, each side seems genuinely unaware that the other interpretation even exists.
This is not merely disagreement, and it goes beyond ordinary bias. It is also not quite what psychologists usually mean by cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance, first described by Leon Festinger in the 1950s, occurs when people experience psychological discomfort from holding conflicting beliefs or encountering information that contradicts their existing views, and then attempt to reduce that discomfort through rationalization or reinterpretation of the facts. In cases like the Renee Good shooting in Minnesota, however, something else seems to be happening. So, what is going on?
More at link - Two Movies on One Screen: Conflicting Narratives of the Renee Good Shooting in Minnesota
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FSTO
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^^
I cannot unsee how that ICE agent was so out of control when he killed that woman. The fellow agent who reached for the door of the SUV won the lottery by not being killed by the reckless behaviour of his college. That the ICE agent put two more bullets into the victim after he was clearly out of danger (not that he was in any danger at any time, except to himself), that the agent called her a fucking bitch. that he didn't provide any first aide after the car crashed, that he callously walked away like it was another day on the range, that the entire Homeland Security and White House administration have protected this and other unqualified agents over their actions, it has all resulted me in not believing a word that comes out of the mouths of anyone connected to Trump and his regime.
I will continue to point out the immoral actions of certain aspects of the US Law Enforcement apparatus and hope to god that that poison doesn't migrate north. We are not perfect here, not by a long shot but JFC at least we don't have a bunch of LARPING idiots in tactical gear running around causing chaos on our city streets. Not yet anyway.
I cannot unsee how that ICE agent was so out of control when he killed that woman. The fellow agent who reached for the door of the SUV won the lottery by not being killed by the reckless behaviour of his college. That the ICE agent put two more bullets into the victim after he was clearly out of danger (not that he was in any danger at any time, except to himself), that the agent called her a fucking bitch. that he didn't provide any first aide after the car crashed, that he callously walked away like it was another day on the range, that the entire Homeland Security and White House administration have protected this and other unqualified agents over their actions, it has all resulted me in not believing a word that comes out of the mouths of anyone connected to Trump and his regime.
I will continue to point out the immoral actions of certain aspects of the US Law Enforcement apparatus and hope to god that that poison doesn't migrate north. We are not perfect here, not by a long shot but JFC at least we don't have a bunch of LARPING idiots in tactical gear running around causing chaos on our city streets. Not yet anyway.
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Mea Culpa.
Not an excuse, but Bovino, like the rest of the MENSA candidates in this administration are such easy targets for ridicule.
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And now they've started blackmailing native tribes.
apnews.com
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
apnews.com
HavokFour
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Uhh, what? 
www.theguardian.com
www.reuters.com
UPenn faculty condemn Trump administration’s demand for ‘lists of Jews’
Groups say EEOC demand for names and personal details echoes dark history and threatens safety and civil rights
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Jewish students, faculty at University of Pennsylvania seek to limit EEOC's antisemitism probe
Groups representing Jewish faculty and students at the University of Pennsylvania on Tuesday moved to block the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission from forcing the school to disclose their personal information, which they said would threaten their safety.
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Auditioning for an upcoming Matrix re-make?
The interactions between ICE and a Native American tribe should be basically zero, unless it’s ICE asking their permission for something.And now they've started blackmailing native tribes.
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
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And now they've started blackmailing native tribes.
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
"Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.”"
Am I reading this right? ICE, an immigration enforcement agency, is holding non-immigrants hostage unless First Nations sign an agreement with DHS?
That kinda sorta seems to be the case?
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The Sioux have been here about 10,000 years longer than ICE so it should probably be the other way around
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That's why it's called the G-ICE-tapo
Joe Rogan recently called them the G word. That’s telling.
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Just updating, not condemning or agreeing.
FYI
ICE agent who shot Renee Good suffered internal bleeding, officials say.
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The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who fatally shot Renee Good last week in Minneapolis, Jonathan Ross, suffered internal bleeding to the torso following the incident, according to two U.S. officials briefed on his medical condition.
It was unclear how extensive the bleeding was. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed Ross' injury, but has not yet responded to CBS News' requests for more information. This story will be updated as we learn more.
Videos from the scene showed Ross walking away after the incident.
Ross has not returned to work, one source said, but did not say why.
Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security secretary, previously acknowledged that Ross was taken to the hospital after the shooting and was released the same day. She said he was recovering from his injuries, describing him as an experienced law enforcement officer who believed he was defending himself and fellow agents.
"The officer was hit by the vehicle. She hit him. He went to the hospital. A doctor did treat him. He has been released," Noem told reporters on Jan. 7.
Ross, a 10-year law enforcement veteran with ICE, was seriously injured in June in a separate incident in the Minneapolis area when he was dragged by a car during an attempted arrest, requiring 33 stitches and hospital care, court records show.
U.S. Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino told CBS News in an interview Sunday that Ross "has had several threats against his life," adding, "he's in a safe location. He's recovering from those injuries, and we're thankful that he's recovering."
FYI
ICE agent who shot Renee Good suffered internal bleeding, officials say.
ICE agent who shot Renee Good suffered internal bleeding, officials say
Jonathan Ross, who shot Renee Good in Minneapolis last week, suffered internal bleeding after the incident, two officials said, though it's not clear how extensive the bleeding was.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who fatally shot Renee Good last week in Minneapolis, Jonathan Ross, suffered internal bleeding to the torso following the incident, according to two U.S. officials briefed on his medical condition.
It was unclear how extensive the bleeding was. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed Ross' injury, but has not yet responded to CBS News' requests for more information. This story will be updated as we learn more.
Videos from the scene showed Ross walking away after the incident.
Ross has not returned to work, one source said, but did not say why.
Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security secretary, previously acknowledged that Ross was taken to the hospital after the shooting and was released the same day. She said he was recovering from his injuries, describing him as an experienced law enforcement officer who believed he was defending himself and fellow agents.
"The officer was hit by the vehicle. She hit him. He went to the hospital. A doctor did treat him. He has been released," Noem told reporters on Jan. 7.
Ross, a 10-year law enforcement veteran with ICE, was seriously injured in June in a separate incident in the Minneapolis area when he was dragged by a car during an attempted arrest, requiring 33 stitches and hospital care, court records show.
U.S. Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino told CBS News in an interview Sunday that Ross "has had several threats against his life," adding, "he's in a safe location. He's recovering from those injuries, and we're thankful that he's recovering."
Not trusting much coming from DHS these days.
That could be anything from a bruise to a ruptured organ.
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Maybe he ruptured his diaphragm screaming “f*cking bitch” immediately after he shot her?
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