A Deeply Fractured US

[Remius]

is that why our veggies are so expensive?

We’ve been over this before about beef prices. Range Control is to blame.

 

[RangerRay]

Illegal Aliens are criminals by definition, no ?

Actually, it’s what they call down there a “civil” offence I believe, so not criminal.

 

[brihard]

is that why our veggies are so expensive?

Dunno. I’m not the one to ask on that. I’m still skipping produce grown in the States anyway.

Renewed the insurrection act threats.

Trump threatens to use military over Minnesota anti-ICE protests

President Donald Trump threatened to use the Insurrection Act, which would allow him to deploy military forces, in Minnesota amid escalating tension over a deployment of federal agents in the state's most populous city, which has become the focus of daily clashes.

www.reuters.com

I won’t go so far as to say it’s deliberate strategy - but wouldn’t disbelieve it if it was - but I don’t think Trump minds the insurrection act option. It furthers his deliberate acceleration on the country’s trajectory. I’ve seen speculation that they’ve been looking for a city that could put up a fight and justify the act’s invocation. It’s depressing that that’s even plausible.

 

[suffolkowner]

We’ve been over this before about beef prices. Range Control is to blame.

missed that one I guess but i would argue locally there just arent as many cattle farmers and herd sizes were reduced do to a lack of return and poor/inconsistent forage. It then takes time to build your stock up

Dunno. I’m not the one to ask on that. I’m still skipping produce grown in the States anyway.


I won’t go so far as to say it’s deliberate strategy - but wouldn’t disbelieve it if it was - but I don’t think Trump minds the insurrection act option. It furthers his deliberate acceleration on the country’s trajectory. I’ve seen speculation that they’ve been looking for a city that could put up a fight and justify the act’s invocation. It’s depressing that that’s even plausible.

I just skip the veggies

 

[lenaitch]

Illegal Aliens are criminals by definition, no ?

It's as clear as mud to me but here is one description.

What is civil offense? Simple Definition & Meaning - LSD.Law

A civil offense is a violation of a law or regulation that is not classified as a crime. Unlike criminal offenses, these actions typically lead to fines,...

lsd.law

It's a different system than we have. They have a stronger delineation between 'state' and 'federal' law. Here, criminal law is federal (although largely provincially administered).

 

[Booter]

Illegal aliens here on an expired visa are a civil offence- the ones that never were in the country lawfully are criminals is my understanding? (In the US)

 

[brihard]

Illegal aliens here on an expired visa are a civil offence- the ones that never were in the country lawfully are criminals is my understanding?

We don’t have ‘civil offences’, although a lot of offences are referred to as ‘regulatory’ in nature. But there’s still a statute somewhere classifying them as summary or hybrid offences. The prosecution of them is to the same standard of proof, it’s more just a way of categorizing some types of offences.

However we have all kinds of administrative law where, even is something is not ‘prosecuted’ as an ‘offence’, there are still administrative decisions to be made and appeals adjudicated with major consequences. Immigration almost always falls into this space. Someone in the country illegally will likely not be criminally prosecuted, but their admissibility will be reviewed, any claims to asylum or protected status will be reviewed, and they can be ordered removed from the country, all of that done administratively.

There are criminal offences that can be prosecuted for customs and immigrations violations. Usually they just aren’t because it’s a more burdensome process and will join the heavy queue in the courts, and there’s no extra bang for the buck if they’re gonna get punted anyway.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Illegal aliens here on an expired visa are a civil offence- the ones that never were in the country lawfully are criminals is my understanding?

My understanding is even entering Canada illegally is not a criminal offence unless it "involves deception, organization, or evasion", which would then fall under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act s.124

 

[Booter]

Sorry I was making reference to the law in the states. I know nothing about Canadian context on this at all. That’s my bad

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This is a very good analysis of the fact that US population is shrinking, and the impact this will have on the economy, in US and globally.

I enjoy her analysis, but it is dense and rapid fire.

 

[brihard]

Sorry I was making reference to the law in the states. I know nothing about Canadian context on this at all. That’s my bad

Gotcha. I don’t know then, sorry.

 

[Booter]

Gotcha. I don’t know then, sorry.

Nah man. I still learned from your post.

 

[Altair]

This is a very good analysis of the fact that US population is shrinking, and the impact this will have on the economy, in US and globally.

I enjoy her analysis, but it is dense and rapid fire.

House of El is great.