A majority are concerned about the new federal budget increasing the country’s deficit to over 40 billion dollars

[Remius]

Pretty sure this government’s collective amygdala is incapable of feeling embarrassment.

It isn’t the government that needs to be embarrassed it’s Canadians. Until they get affected things won’t change.

 

[Remius]

I dunno, I think we're pretty much ignored now. No one expects anything, so we don't have to provide anything.

We haven’t said no yet. The tune may change if that happens.

 

[Good2Golf]

It isn’t the government that needs to be embarrassed it’s Canadians. Until they get affected things won’t change.

Then we’re still in for a long wait…

 

[Booter]

I believe we ve said no behind the scenes several times- such as not keeping our promises on peacekeeping forces etc

Government decorum just never says it out loud. Except the 2% NATO articles.

 

[Remius]

I believe we ve said no behind the scenes several times- such as not keeping our promises on peacekeeping forces etc

Government decorum just never says it out loud. Except the 2% NATO articles.

Yes but it gets a bit more uncomfortable with domestic deployments when you say no to your own citizens. I’m not holding my breath though.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We haven’t said no yet. The tune may change if that happens.

Which I am sure absolutely surprises our Allies. As they don't expect anything of value.

Yes but it gets a bit more uncomfortable with domestic deployments when you say no to your own citizens. I’m not holding my breath though.

Talking domestically, I am quite sure someone gave the GoC a big solid "NO!" about using the CAF to clean up the freedom convoy last year. But that was more political than capability related.

Have you read "Who Killed the Canadian Military ?" The opening chapter is, what I think, and accurate prediction of the CAF response to a major domestic humanitarian catastrophe. Our Gov might say yes, our equipment might say otherwise.

 

[JLB50]

Remember that this government has been minority position since 2019. They have ruled by opinion poll ever since.

My wife retained her Alberta cellphone's area code when we moved for business reasons. She was given a call by a polling agency to see what her opinion was on EVs and what buying options/subsidies she would like to see for EVs coming from the feds. She answered the poll honestly and then when it came time for the demographic info, they shit canned her answers because she was living outside of their target areas.

This leads me to believe that the poll was being used to situate the estimate on policy by saying "well we polled Albertans and they said this. So screw the Opposition MPs that say the constituents they represent don't want this..."

If you translate that over to defense spending... You can see where the DPU "we're consulting with Canadians..." smoke and mirrors is going to be heading.

Part of being the governing party is doing what is necessary, but unpopular. In majority territory...much easier. Minority...well...this is where you need to tailor your ideas to gain support on the other side of the aisle.

Instead, this government propped up by the NDP, have found a way to push their age da, while also "consulting" with Canadians on what the policy should be (by asking a select, targeted, audience that will help paint the narrative).

Short of the Russians or Chinese beating down the gates in Montreal or Toronto... I don't see Defense ever being top of the To Do list for any government of any colour.

You’re probably right. Interestingly, this appeared a short while ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/national-defence-trudeau-nato-1.6811632

 

[Remius]

Which I am sure absolutely surprises our Allies. As they don't expect anything of value.



Talking domestically, I am quite sure someone gave the GoC a big solid "NO!" about using the CAF to clean up the freedom convoy last year. But that was more political than capability related.

Have you read "Who Killed the Canadian Military ?" The opening chapter is, what I think, and accurate prediction of the CAF response to a major domestic humanitarian catastrophe. Our Gov might say yes, our equipment might say otherwise.

Sadly that is the only sort of thing that will wake people up. Unless they are affected they don’t care.

 

[daftandbarmy]

A plan to have a plan isn't much of a plan, sadly:

Policy Insight: Will Budget 2023 Spark A Green Investment Wave?​

The 2023 Federal Budget offers a strong response to the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), but a Net Zero investment wave still faces headwinds from rising international competition, regulatory impediments and the difficulty in getting provinces on board.

What’s missing in the budget?​

Canada has not clarified how it will clear the way for major clean energy projects—which is emerging as an obstacle in securing new investments. Despite last year’s $1.3 billion allotted to federal agencies to improve their project approval process, Budget 2023 still only reiterates a plan to have a plan with concrete actions committed only by the end of the year. Regulatory issues like permitting may be just as important as tax credits to a project’s feasibility.

Budget 2023 enables the Canada Infrastructure Bank to support Indigenous communities to purchase equity in major projects in which it participates. It’s a step in the right direction, but we were looking for a broader and more transparent program to speed up the process, such as government guarantees. Many clean energy projects will be on Indigenous lands, and with both communities and project sponsors increasingly interested in Indigenous equity participation, communities’ challenges in accessing capital needs to be addressed.

Policy Insight: Will Budget 2023 Spark A Green Investment Wave? - RBC Thought Leadership

Budget 2023’s new green measures are mostly about bolstering the upstream supply chain

thoughtleadership.rbc.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

There will certainly be some kind of investment wave, if there are subsidies and other monies to be milked. If "unprofitable venture + subsidies = profitable venture", someone will be willing to stand something up and drop it when the subsidies end.

 

[OldSolduer]

Pretty sure this government’s collective amygdala is incapable of feeling embarrassment.

This government's amygdala only knows one threat - the threat to dethrone them. They feel no shame or embarrassment - the very worst GoC in my memory.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/national-defence-trudeau-nato-1.6811632

I thought the Beaverton published this - Its incredible that the CBC published it.

 

[CBH99]

Remember that this government has been minority position since 2019. They have ruled by opinion poll ever since.

My wife retained her Alberta cellphone's area code when we moved for business reasons. She was given a call by a polling agency to see what her opinion was on EVs and what buying options/subsidies she would like to see for EVs coming from the feds. She answered the poll honestly and then when it came time for the demographic info, they shit canned her answers because she was living outside of their target areas.

This leads me to believe that the poll was being used to situate the estimate on policy by saying "well we polled Albertans and they said this. So screw the Opposition MPs that say the constituents they represent don't want this..."

If you translate that over to defense spending... You can see where the DPU "we're consulting with Canadians..." smoke and mirrors is going to be heading.

Part of being the governing party is doing what is necessary, but unpopular. In majority territory...much easier. Minority...well...this is where you need to tailor your ideas to gain support on the other side of the aisle.

Instead, this government propped up by the NDP, have found a way to push their age da, while also "consulting" with Canadians on what the policy should be (by asking a select, targeted, audience that will help paint the narrative).

Short of the Russians or Chinese beating down the gates in Montreal or Toronto... I don't see Defense ever being top of the To Do list for any government of any colour.

Its funny...when Trudeau or any Cabinet ministers stand up and say they are "Continuing to consult with Canadians..." its such a disingenuous line.

They aren't consulting Canadians ar all.

They are hiring a polling company to poll X number of people in these Y number of area codes to get their opinions on an issue. At best, that's it.

Then you factor in a demographic they'd like to target primarily, and the opinions are now those of a relatively select few that could not take the poll seriously, not answer honestly, or just be morons.



When it comes to consulting Canadians about defense matters...has anybody here ever been contacted? I'm guessing not?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Its funny...when Trudeau or any Cabinet ministers stand up and say they are "Continuing to consult with Canadians..." its such a disingenuous line.

They aren't consulting Canadians ar all.

They are hiring a polling company to poll X number of people in these Y number of area codes to get their opinions on an issue. At best, that's it.

Then you factor in a demographic they'd like to target primarily, and the opinions are now those of a relatively select few that could not take the poll seriously, not answer honestly, or just be morons.



When it comes to consulting Canadians about defense matters...has anybody here ever been contacted? I'm guessing not?

I find it hilarious because ...isn't that why we elect members of Parliament? Those folks in the Opposition had to get enough support from ...well..... Canadians to have their viewpoint heard.

I feel as if the Govt de jure has forgotten that aspect of a Westminster style parliament. Its always so much easier when your view is the only one and you can rule and govern without differing opinions being expressed. Almost as if absolute governing power would be crucial in forcing your own view of utopia..... Wait a second

 

[Halifax Tar]

I find it hilarious because ...isn't that why we elect members of Parliament? Those folks in the Opposition had to get enough support from ...well..... Canadians to have their viewpoint heard.

I feel as if the Govt de jure has forgotten that aspect of a Westminster style parliament. Its always so much easier when your view is the only one and you can rule and govern without differing opinions being expressed. Almost as if absolute governing power would be crucial in forcing your own view of utopia..... Wait a second

Did you just hurt yourself ? lol

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Did you just hurt yourself ? lol

 

[Halifax Tar]

Snuggle in brother.