About Respect - Officers vs NCMs

[Eye In The Sky]

You corrected him in your first post on the subject, and then berated him after he offered an explanation for his action.

I don't think what I said hardly qualifies as a berating.

 It was an unnecessary followup which was little more than flexing your imaginary on-line muscles

Sort of like your posts to me here?  I had not replied to his last post, and that was several hours ago now. 

unlike your repeated performance since you fist arrived here in your first profile

If you have something you'd like to address from over 2 years ago, by all means, go ahead.  If you have personal things you wish to say, I would think a more appropriate place is via PM. 

Grow up, back off and leave it alone, you made your point, it's not your job to force it down his throat.

I am grown up, I did back off after the point was made (about 3.5 hours ago now), and I did leave it alone.  Please notice the time of his last reply and the fact that I made no further comment to his. 

 

[the_girlfirend]

Hey!!!! No fighting on my topic!!!  (;D just kidding ;D)

Good morning!

Thank you Piper for the suggestion "One Bullet Away: The Making of a Marine Officer"

Actually, I really have no idea about the differences between the American military and the Canadian military.
I would like to know before I read this book, is there anybody who would like to warn me about some important things that I could find in that book that would not apply to the Canadian Forces.

Thank you eye in the sky for the correction, honestly, I did not know the meaning of the notation "NCO"... so many things to learn... like a new born who just opened his eyes...  ;D

 

[chris_log]

Hey!!!! No fighting on my topic!!!  (;D just kidding ;D)

Good morning!

Thank you Piper for the suggestion "One Bullet Away: The Making of a Marine Officer"

Actually, I really have no idea about the differences between the American military and the Canadian military.
I would like to know before I read this book, is there anybody who would like to warn me about some important things that I could find in that book that would not apply to the Canadian Forces.

Thank you eye in the sky for the correction, honestly, I did not know the meaning of the notation "NCO"... so many things to learn... like a new born who just opened his eyes...  ;D

If you are just reading up on officership and whatnot, the differences should not be an issue. We are similar enough to the Americans that the experiences of a USMC junior officer can be useful to a Canadian junior officer, and vice versa.

 

[medaid]

If you are just reading up on officership and whatnot, the differences should not be an issue. We are similar enough to the Americans that the experiences of a USMC junior officer can be useful to a Canadian junior officer, and vice versa.

Except all the admins are different, the org names are different, and some of the movements are different. But yes, they can be useful.

 

[chris_log]

Except all the admins are different, the org names are different, and some of the movements are different. But yes, they can be useful.

True. But lessons about the interactions between a junior officer and his junior and senior NCO's rings true. I'm trying to think of some Canadian books that cover this kind of topic. The book titled (I think) 'Peacekeeper' by General Mackenzie detailing his time as a junior officer and when he was with UNPROFOR was a good read. Any other suggestions for books that are written from a Canadian perspective?

 

[Greymatters]

I think you will find that working within a union company is a lot like working in the CF.. The Officers are like management and the NCMs are like the union workers.  Having seen my father work his way through both the RCN and the union jobs, what he said it was very much the same in each case.  You can have young management just out of school bossing old vets with 25 years working in the field.  And as always some of each always think they know more then the other.

In both cases respect is gained by putting others ahead of your career.  Thoses who put their career ahead of the welfare of their people lose a lot of reespect.

I would agree with Harley.  The CF often has a union feel to it, as the rulebook supports and protects NCMs as much as it provides authority and power to officers, and most rules are applied to every CF member equally. 

Although we dont get to vote for our representatives, or vote for better work conditions, and any thing related to a strike is pretty much 'mutiny'...