Alberta government thread

[QV]

Oh and NWC again

Alberta invokes notwithstanding clause on trio of transgender laws

Alberta invokes notwithstanding clause on trio of transgender laws

The Alberta government has invoked the Charter’s notwithstanding clause for the second time in less than a month in this case to protect from legal challenge a trio of laws affecting transgender youth and adults.

www.ctvnews.ca

Alberta joins NZ, USA, UK, Norway, Finland, and Sweden in preventing the use of puberty blockers on minors. In Alberta's case kids under 16.

Are you offended by that?

 

[MrWhyt]

Are you offended by that?

I'm a fan of small government, I don't know why you big government types want the state to start looking in children's underwear,

 

[MilEME09]

Alberta joins NZ, USA, UK, Norway, Finland, and Sweden in preventing the use of puberty blockers on minors. In Alberta's case kids under 16.

Are you offended by that?

sorry did you assume I was? I am more offended by the NWC being used, especially when these laws are before the courts. the AB gov is making a mockery of the rule of law, and checks and balances.

the only part of these laws I find dumb is that my daughter now has to prove her gender, but my sons don't, not just in professional sports, but any sports

 

[QV]

I'm a fan of small government, I don't know why you big government types want the state to start looking in children's underwear,

I'm also a fan of small government.

I'm also a fan of protecting minors from being influenced by ideologically driven adults to make irreversible life altering decisions. They can make those on their own when they're old enough.

sorry did you assume I was? I am more offended by the NWC being used, especially when these laws are before the courts. the AB gov is making a mockery of the rule of law, and checks and balances.

the only part of these laws I find dumb is that my daughter now has to prove her gender, but my sons don't, not just in professional sports, but any sports

I'm also glad my daughters can compete in sports against other females only. Notice how this one always only went one way? Trans (biologically female) were never fighting to compete in men's sports. Weird.

The NWC is a part of the Charter. Without it, the Charter never would exist today as we know it, or at all.

 

[MrWhyt]

I'm also a fan of protecting minors from being influenced by ideologically driven adults to make irreversible life altering decisions. They can make those on their own when they're old enough.

just sounds like the nanny state telling parents what medical treatments their children can or can not have.

 

[MilEME09]

I'm also glad my daughters can compete in sports against other females only. Notice how this one always only went one way? Trans (biologically female) were never fighting to compete in men's sports. Weird.

Yet it's happening, Trans-men face fewer barriers and challenges to compete in men's sports, notable examples include Lia Thomas, Fallon Fox, Chris Mosier. It's estimated less than 1% of college level athletes are trans, and in the US 3% of all high school athletes are. Of this few than 1000 are trans men. So they are out there, but politicians, and social groups seem to only have issue with trans women.

Look if you are going to restrict trans persons from playing in sports, fine, but the law should be applied equally, the fact its not is what lead to court challenges.

 

[QV]

Lia Thomas was born a male, transitioned, and later competed in womens events. Do you not understand the physical differences between people having XX vs XY chromosomes? It is significant.

For a sport like swimming the implications are limited to dominating the sport, for sports like hockey, boxing, etc, the implications are dominating and also seriously injuring the non-trans competitors. Is that fair? No. Do we change all the rules for less than 1% of people? No.

Nobody is banning trans people from sports, they just compete in the sport to which their chromosomes align.

Not everyone can be happy all the time.

 

[MilEME09]

Nobody is banning trans people from sports, they just compete in the sport to which their chromosomes align.

So again why only target trans women then?

 

[OldSolduer]

just sounds like the nanny state telling parents what medical treatments their children can or can not have.

The MMR Vaxx enters the chat.

The "nanny state" does sometimes need to enact laws for the public good, does it not?

 

[QV]

The MMR Vaxx enters the chat.

The "nanny state" does sometimes need to enact laws for the public good, does it not?

Except individual freedoms should be paramount.

 

[QV]

So again why only target trans women then?

Nobody is targeted.

 

[MrWhyt]

Except individual freedoms should be paramount.

great so kids should be allowed to get gender affirming care if their parents and doctors agree.

 

[MilEME09]

Nobody is targeted.

You must not be reading the same law i am then

 

[QV]

great so kids should be allowed to get gender affirming care if their parents and doctors agree.

There are loads of examples of kids getting this done at a very young age and then attempting reversal or suiciding later on due to regret. No, I do not believe a child can make that decision intelligently just like I do not believe they should vote, serve in the military, or do any number of adult things. I also do not believe the adults in play are morally positioned to affect life altering personal changes to the child, many who are ideologically driven and do not have to live with the outcome. So no, I do not believe a 15 year old or younger person is capable of making that decision, I do not believe separately an adult can decide for them. When the child is older and has a more properly developed brain, go nuts.

 

[Altair]

There are loads of examples of kids getting this done at a very young age and then attempting reversal or suiciding later on due to regret. No, I do not believe a child can make that decision intelligently just like I do not believe they should vote, serve in the military, or do any number of adult things. I also do not believe the adults in play are morally positioned to affect life altering personal changes to the child, many who are ideologically driven and do not have to live with the outcome. So no, I do not believe a 15 year old or younger person is capable of making that decision, I do not believe separately an adult can decide for them. When the child is older and has a more properly developed brain, go nuts.

Anti trans activists: we cannot have biological men who have undergone puberty in women's sports

Trans activists: Okay, let teens use puberty blockers that delay the onset of puberty so when they are adults they can make that decision without having gone through puberty.

Anti trans activists: We also ban teens from using puberty blockers regardless of what the teens, their parents or their doctors say!

The intellectual dishonesty is outstanding.

 

[MrWhyt]

There are loads of examples of kids getting this done at a very young age and then attempting reversal or suiciding later on due to regret.

Ithere are load of examples of children committing suicide because they haven't gotten the medical care they require.

I also do not believe the adults in play are morally positioned to affect life altering personal changes to the child, many who are ideologically driven and do not have to live with the outcome.

Parents don't have to live with the outcome of their child not getting medical treatment?