Alberta government thread

[MilEME09]

It's called trying to let them have their spot light without causing a large civil disobedience.
Politics 101 and negotiating 102.
Let them have their say, let them go through the process and then you can say maybe next time.

Except they have their thumb on the scale to allow it. If they had to gather over 300k signatures like forever canada did, it probably would of died. This is politics 101, this is self sabotage 101, amd subversion 102

 

[QV]

Whether the "forever Canada" or "independent Alberta" referendum happens, the outcome of the question will be should there be a split or not.

Either way, the referendum happens. So who cares which one gets the referendum.

 

[brihard]

Whether the "forever Canada" or "independent Alberta" referendum happens, the outcome of the question will be should there be a split or not.

Either way, the referendum happens. So who cares which one gets the referendum.

The 'forever Canadian' referendum question, if it failed, would indicate political support for separation but would not in and of itself trigger the process under the Clarity Act to be entered into. The intent of the separatists' question, if it in fact does trigger a referendum and i in fact that referendum returns the clear majority for a separation mandate, would be to begin the interjurisdictional negotiations necessary for constitutional amendment and secession.

A family vote against "we should eat supper at home tonight" does not mean the family has specifically voted "let's go to Pizza Hut".

 

[Brad Sallows]

The 'forever Canadian' referendum question, if it failed, would indicate political support for separation but would not in and of itself trigger the process under the Clarity Act to be entered into. The intent of the separatists' question, if it in fact does trigger a referendum and i in fact that referendum returns the clear majority for a separation mandate, would be to begin the interjurisdictional negotiations necessary for constitutional amendment and secession.

The process highlights why negotiated separation is not really something anyone should waste much time worrying about.

Separatists can't seek outside (foreign) assistance to get their projects rolling and there are multitudinous impediments GoC would insist on (cultural legacies, share of financial obligations).

This is why I conclude the only practical path to separation would essentially resemble the US revolution: cut everything away and start with a blank page. The first threshold to cross is whether there's a war, and who wins it.

 

[brihard]

The process highlights why negotiated separation is not really something anyone should waste much time worrying about.

Separatists can't seek outside (foreign) assistance to get their projects rolling and there are multitudinous impediments GoC would insist on (cultural legacies, share of financial obligations).

This is why I conclude the only practical path to separation would essentially resemble the US revolution: cut everything away and start with a blank page. The first threshold to cross is whether there's a war, and who wins it.

No, the first threshold to cross would be whether a sufficient portion of Alberta's own population even supports the notion to give the separatists any democratically legitimate mandate. I'll contend they aren't remotely close.

Anyway, needless to say, any attempt to force the issue outside of the democratic and legal process would fast track a small number of people directly to the 'find out' stage, with consequences proportionate to just how bad their choices are.

 

[Brad Sallows]

No, the first threshold to cross would be whether a sufficient portion of Alberta's own population even supports the notion to give the separatists any democratically legitimate mandate. I'll contend they aren't remotely close.

Yep. They'd need a supermajority (probably 70% plus) of residents, and they'd probably need to go through the same exercise the US did by enumerating their non-trivial grievances openly.

 

[MilEME09]

RCMP search warrant on the AB legislature yesterday..... I am going to get my popcorn ready

https://twitter.com/x/status/2049527428532572327

 

[RangerRay]

RCMP search warrant on the AB legislature yesterday..... I am going to get my popcorn ready

https://twitter.com/x/status/2049527428532572327

Not completely unprecedented…as always, BC sets the standard!

British Columbia Legislature raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Timeline of the British Columbia Legislature raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MilEME09]

Not completely unprecedented…as always, BC sets the standard!

British Columbia Legislature raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Timeline of the British Columbia Legislature raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So its not about the health care procurement scandal....so you are saying there is a second investigation then

https://twitter.com/x/status/2049568992596312453

 

[HavokFour]

So its not about the health care procurement scandal....so you are saying there is a second investigation then

https://twitter.com/x/status/2049568992596312453

Oh, well that is interesting.

 

[dapaterson]

CCC 46(1)(b)?

 

[MilEME09]

against all odds, the liberal party of AB is actually gaining support, as is the Tory party. At the cost of both the UCP and NDP

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054609182951723362

 

[MilEME09]

Turns out Sam Jaber called himself a CPA, but wasn't actually a CPA. This is the same guy whos business was raided by the RCMP, and who gifted skybox tickets to the premiere before being appointed to the AB investment board (while claiming to be a CPA)

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056711625013633156

 

[daftandbarmy]

Alberta's levels of hubris tend to rise, and fall, with the price of oil, which kinda explains where we are at right now...

Alberta’s GDP projected to rise as oil supply crisis rages on, but impact on citizens more complex: ATB​

Revised real GDP forecast for Alberta increased by 0.6% for 2026​

Despite global turmoil, Alberta's economy is better positioned than others to endure the uncertainty because of rising oil prices, according to ATB's latest economic outlook.

The report, released by the financial institution on Thursday, found geopolitical crises such as the war in Iran and ships being unable to pass through the Strait of Hormuz have massively shaken up energy markets.

However, as Canada’s largest oil producer, Alberta is expected to weather the storm better than other provinces, ATB's chief economist Mark Parsons said in an interview with CBC News.

“The surge in oil prices — we think that's going to shield Alberta from the worst of it,” he said.

The report looks at real and nominal GDP. ATB now projects there will be 2.7 per cent growth in real GDP in Alberta in 2026, up from its December forecast of 2.1 per cent, while it now anticipates a six per cent increase in the province’s nominal GDP, up from the 0.7 per cent it projected in December.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/atb-alberta-oil-gas-economy-forecast-9.7143848

 

[AmmoTech90]

Except the UCP doesn't care about Alberta residents unless you own an oil or gas company and have been faithful contributors to the party coffers. Any financial benefit the province accrues will flow to O&G and not improving the lives of the province's poor and ill.