Alberta government thread

[MilEME09]

It's called trying to let them have their spot light without causing a large civil disobedience.
Politics 101 and negotiating 102.
Let them have their say, let them go through the process and then you can say maybe next time.

Except they have their thumb on the scale to allow it. If they had to gather over 300k signatures like forever canada did, it probably would of died. This is politics 101, this is self sabotage 101, amd subversion 102

 

[QV]

Whether the "forever Canada" or "independent Alberta" referendum happens, the outcome of the question will be should there be a split or not.

Either way, the referendum happens. So who cares which one gets the referendum.

 

[brihard]

Whether the "forever Canada" or "independent Alberta" referendum happens, the outcome of the question will be should there be a split or not.

Either way, the referendum happens. So who cares which one gets the referendum.

The 'forever Canadian' referendum question, if it failed, would indicate political support for separation but would not in and of itself trigger the process under the Clarity Act to be entered into. The intent of the separatists' question, if it in fact does trigger a referendum and i in fact that referendum returns the clear majority for a separation mandate, would be to begin the interjurisdictional negotiations necessary for constitutional amendment and secession.

A family vote against "we should eat supper at home tonight" does not mean the family has specifically voted "let's go to Pizza Hut".

 

[Brad Sallows]

The 'forever Canadian' referendum question, if it failed, would indicate political support for separation but would not in and of itself trigger the process under the Clarity Act to be entered into. The intent of the separatists' question, if it in fact does trigger a referendum and i in fact that referendum returns the clear majority for a separation mandate, would be to begin the interjurisdictional negotiations necessary for constitutional amendment and secession.

The process highlights why negotiated separation is not really something anyone should waste much time worrying about.

Separatists can't seek outside (foreign) assistance to get their projects rolling and there are multitudinous impediments GoC would insist on (cultural legacies, share of financial obligations).

This is why I conclude the only practical path to separation would essentially resemble the US revolution: cut everything away and start with a blank page. The first threshold to cross is whether there's a war, and who wins it.

 

[brihard]

The process highlights why negotiated separation is not really something anyone should waste much time worrying about.

Separatists can't seek outside (foreign) assistance to get their projects rolling and there are multitudinous impediments GoC would insist on (cultural legacies, share of financial obligations).

This is why I conclude the only practical path to separation would essentially resemble the US revolution: cut everything away and start with a blank page. The first threshold to cross is whether there's a war, and who wins it.

No, the first threshold to cross would be whether a sufficient portion of Alberta's own population even supports the notion to give the separatists any democratically legitimate mandate. I'll contend they aren't remotely close.

Anyway, needless to say, any attempt to force the issue outside of the democratic and legal process would fast track a small number of people directly to the 'find out' stage, with consequences proportionate to just how bad their choices are.

 

[Brad Sallows]

No, the first threshold to cross would be whether a sufficient portion of Alberta's own population even supports the notion to give the separatists any democratically legitimate mandate. I'll contend they aren't remotely close.

Yep. They'd need a supermajority (probably 70% plus) of residents, and they'd probably need to go through the same exercise the US did by enumerating their non-trivial grievances openly.